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Nicosia FIR and Turkish Airlines

Postby Paphitis » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:52 pm

Turkish Airlines have quite a lot of destinations throughout the African continent which would of course require overflying Cyprus.

http://www.turkishairlines.com/#

Contrary with the requirements of the EU customs agreement, Turkey does not permit Cypriot Registered aircraft to enter Ankara FIR.

As a result, it would seem reasonable that all Turkish Aircraft are not permitted into the Nicosia FIR.

But if they are allowed, it would also mean that Turkish Airlines are required to contact Nicosia Centre for Airways Clearance.

Do Turkish Airlines get clearance from Nicosia as is required by ICAO? If they do not, then they are non-compliant with ICAO. In other words, Turkish Airlines are illegally using RoC airspace currently under RoC control. If they do, then they recognize the RoC.

If they are not permitted into RoC airspace, and have to circumvent Nicosia FIR and go round it, then the economic cost to Turkish Airlines would be enormous.

What is the RoC's policy on this?
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Re: Nicosia FIR and Turkish Airlines

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:02 am

This is a very serious issue as you can see from the Safety Bulletin issued by the International Federation of Airline Pilots Association (IFALPA) which I just so happen to be involved with. 8)

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j ... 3115,d.bmk

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j ... 3115,d.bmk

And here is the Official Jeppesen Flight Bulletin 99-A (Nicosia FIR) about this Area of Concern that is a danger to International Flight Travel.

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j ... 3115,d.bmk

One thing is evident, Turkey has absolutely no legal jurisdiction over the Airspace and the Aviation Industry is very concerned at the non-existance of any coordination between the legal Nicosia FIR and the illegitimate Pirate Station of ERCAN.

So back to the RoC's policy on allowing Turkish Airlines into the NICOSIA FIR. What happens in those cases?
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Re: Nicosia FIR and Turkish Airlines

Postby Get Real! » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:31 am

These fucking Turkish monkeys are nothing but a dangerous nuisance to Cyprus and the region is general and the government had better step up its campaign in the EU and elsewhere to clamp down on these dangerous illegalities.

EU sanctions against Turkey and the puppet regime are well justified.
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Re: Nicosia FIR and Turkish Airlines

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:54 am

Get Real! wrote:These fucking Turkish monkeys are nothing but a dangerous nuisance to Cyprus and the region is general and the government had better step up its campaign in the EU and elsewhere to clamp down on these dangerous illegalities.

EU sanctions against Turkey and the puppet regime are well justified.


Yes that is the point of this thread.

We have all heard how Cyprus Airways has to divert around the Ankara FIR for its northern routes to Russia, but we do not hear about Turkish Airlines diverting around the NICOSIA FIR for its routes to Africa. Personally, I can't believe the RoC Media have not mentioned this at all to my knowledge.

This on top of the fact that I very much doubt Turkish Airlines will communicate with Nicosia Centre for clearance and traffic separation (they communicate with the Pirate Station at Ercan). This of course, along with all the other issues such as no traffic coordination, is a very dangerous situation for the flying public. There are even reports of Turkish aircraft descending through the Nicosia FIR enroute to Beirut and Damascus and without any coordination with Beirut (yes these aircraft overfly RoC controlled airspace).

The RoC Government has to do something and they could start with turning all Turkish registered Aircraft away just like they do to Cypriot Registered Aircraft. The Cyprus Aviation Department can cite numerous safety violations and non-compliance to ICAO Law and procedures.

We should at the very least reciprocate Turkey's recalcitrance rather than this tip toe soft handed diplomacy.
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Re: Nicosia FIR and Turkish Airlines

Postby Jimski999 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:46 am

I did read that Russian aircraft flying to and from the ROC just ignore Ercan Flight Controllers as they've found that directions given are misleading and sometimes dangerous; they take all their directions from the ROC Flight Controllers.
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Re: Nicosia FIR and Turkish Airlines

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:59 am

Jimski999 wrote:I did read that Russian aircraft flying to and from the ROC just ignore Ercan Flight Controllers as they've found that directions given are misleading and sometimes dangerous; they take all their directions from the ROC Flight Controllers.


Not sure about the Russians. Other airlines do dial in and call them out of courtesy and listen to their instructions on Comm2 but follow instructions from Nicosia Centre on the other comms.

But the general idea is to avoid the airspace altogether if that is possible.
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