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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:06 pm

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No. What we want is nothing more and nothing less than what is legal and respects all of our and your human rights. This is not what we have today because you insist on the illegal occupation of 1/3rd of Cyprus.


In order to return to "legalities and human rights" you constantly go on about you have to negotiate with us. The fact that you lost the war means you lost land just like all other peoples of the world in history. Reality is in front of you its you that has to come to terms with it.

What we don't have is legality and respect of human rights.
What does it mean "unite with TCs"?? I don't want to unite with anybody, my family is complete. What I demand is that my human and democratic rights are respected. You are obligated to respect my rights the same way that I am obligated to respect yours. However you insist on illegality, and thats the problem


Now you are playing silly buggers by saying you dont want to unite with anyone and that your family is complete. No one is talking about an extended family situation we are talking about uniting under a federation. If we unite as 2 communities in a New United Cyprus then we will respect each others rights. But now as it stands we should respect each others rights as good neighbours, just like France and Spain.

The answer is the Turkish occupation. Do you accept legality? YES or NO. When you do not accept the return to legality then how can you complain that legality does not exist. It would exist if you accepted it


The removal of Turkish troops and a return to legalities as per formation of a united Cyprus, this can only be obtained or created through a comprehensive solution.

No, unification will be liberation from the foreign occupation and respect of human rights of all Cypriots. We do not live in separate countries. There is only one country part of which is under foreign occupation with your support.


This is a view I do not have to agree with as I currently reside in the TRNC a country only currently recognized by Turkey.

So if this is our punishment, then what should your punishment be for the 100 times worst actions that you performed against our community?? Why you think GCs should be the ones punished and TCs the ones rewarded?


Isolation, non-recognition.

No you don't have the right to to do anything illegal and against human rights and as you know very well, both the occupation and the pseudo "TRNC" are illegal. Can you do it even if you don't have the right? Of course you can, just like all the other criminals that commit crimes.


You can say this as much as you like but it doesnt chnage a thing we are here and exist, if you wish and desire to solve the issue you have to negotiate fairly with us to produce a new state of affairs that will resolve all our differences.

You can stop this mess by stopping the illegalities. Or the only way that you will stop the illegalities is if you are forced to do it? Is this what you mean?


See above you have negotiate and win over the TC community into wanting to unite with the south. If you can force us to do anything then go for it do your worse, I hate war but if thats what you have and you feel confident enough to go against the Turkish army then be my guest somehow imo i feel you would have tried that angle if you felt you could win, this only goes to show why we need the Turkish Army in place to stop and deter such thoughts and actions.

Everybody wants an end to the Cyprus issue. The problem is that you do not want this "end" to be the one that will allow the refugees to return to their homes, and human rights of everybody be respected without racial discriminations.


All the things you demand can only be obtained through negotiation, so you need to apply pressure on your leaders to return to the negotiating table and find a solution rather than play the EU leverage game which may not yield the results you require as this game could take more than 15 years and is thawt with dangers such as will Turkey remain committed to EU entry, will the current Turkish Government change, will the process be suspended. To many if and buts on that road to bank on it producing an "EU" solution you so long for.
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Postby Kifeas » Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:38 pm

Viewpoint wrote:The fact that you lost the war means you lost land just like all other peoples of the world in history. Reality is in front of you its you that has to come to terms with it.


I perfectly agree for the first time with Viewpoint. We have to come to terms with the fact that we lost the war and we also lost land with it and thus, make sure that in the next war to come in the future, we are the ones who win it and also win back all the land that we lost in the previous war. In other words we should continue to get prepared for this and do not be deceived by any negotiations for a solution. When something is lost in a war, it can only be gained back with another war.

Viewpoint, thanks for reminding to us this universal reality!
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:12 pm

Kifeas wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:The fact that you lost the war means you lost land just like all other peoples of the world in history. Reality is in front of you its you that has to come to terms with it.


I perfectly agree for the first time with Viewpoint. We have to come to terms with the fact that we lost the war and we also lost land with it and thus, make sure that in the next war to come in the future, we are the ones who win it and also win back all the land that we lost in the previous war. In other words we should continue to get prepared for this and do not be deceived by any negotiations for a solution. When something is lost in a war, it can only be gained back with another war.
Viewpoint, thanks for reminding to us this universal reality!


Kifeas your mask has dropped, your true colours have come through :wink:
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Postby Vassos1 » Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:04 pm

It's because of the 1974 War that I do not, and never will, trust any Turkish person (Turk, Turkish Cypriot..etc) in the signing of a reunification plan for Cyprus.

We are both too different peoples. The false idiology that we are "CYPRIOT" is a myth, there is no such thing. You are Turkish living in Cyprus, and we are Greeks living in Cyprus. The Turkish Cyprus Unity Party are a bunch of air heads who falsley think that they can defy their nationalistic Northern Cyprus policy, while some of our Greek Cypriot youngsters only know what it is live to live with the Turkish Cypriots via an email service.

We are Different,
A solution is only, and should only, be based on TWO seperate Republic states; One of Greek Cypriot 82%, and the other of Turkish Cypriot 18%. Other than that, the world and us are wasting our time if we think that we can live as one Republic, a power-shared government and all of the rest of the governmental mixture expected in a federal government. We are seperate now, and I would hate it if we were FORCED to live together.
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Postby Eric dayi » Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:27 pm

Vassos1 wrote:It's because of the 1974 War that I do not, and never will, trust any Turkish person (Turk, Turkish Cypriot..etc) in the signing of a reunification plan for Cyprus.


It's because of the 1963 War that I do not, and never will, trust any Greek person (Greek, Greek Cypriot..etc) in the signing of a reunification plan for Cyprus. It is because the GC's didn't stick to the agreement they signed in 1960 and tried to change it.


Vassos1 wrote:We are both too different peoples. The false idiology that we are "CYPRIOT" is a myth, there is no such thing.


Agreed 100%.


Vassos1 wrote:You are Turkish living in Cyprus, and we are Greeks living in Cyprus. The Turkish Cyprus Unity Party are a bunch of air heads who falsley think that they can defy their nationalistic Northern Cyprus policy, while some of our Greek Cypriot youngsters only know what it is live to live with the Turkish Cypriots via an email service.


If you changed Turkish to Greek and vise virsa, my thoughts exactly.


Vassos1 wrote:We are Different,


Hey, I agree 100% again. I have never agreed with a Greek person so much as I agree with you. :lol:

Vassos1 wrote:A solution is only, and should only, be based on TWO seperate Republic states; One of Greek Cypriot 82%, and the other of Turkish Cypriot 18%.


Now then, if you can put facts on the table that the TC's only owned 18% of the island, I might even agree with you here but I don't think this is possible to prove to be right because it's more then likely not right.


Vassos1 wrote:Other than that, the world and us are wasting our time if we think that we can live as one Republic, a power-shared government and all of the rest of the governmental mixture expected in a federal government. We are seperate now, and I would hate it if we were FORCED to live together.


Agreed 100% again. Hey, we have to be carefull otherwise people might start to imagine that TC's and GC's are starting to agree with each other and try to force us even harder to live together. :wink:
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Postby Agios Amvrosios » Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:40 am

Eric and Vassos the Apartheidists agreeing to division along ethnic lines. How can these people intergrate and cooperate in the EU when they can't even work together on a tiny island?
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Postby BirKibrisli » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:21 am

Agios Amvrosios wrote:Eric and Vassos the Apartheidists agreeing to division along ethnic lines. How can these people intergrate and cooperate in the EU when they can't even work together on a tiny island?



Sanity dictates that no one nation can be divided along ethnic lines,if a just and peaceful and lasting solution is to be found.And sanity will prevail in the 21st Century,Agios,don't you worry about that,mate!
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