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A Cyprus solution would probably never work?

Postby Sotos » Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:53 pm

RENOWNED British think-tank Chatham House has concluded that severe doubts remain as to whether any reunification in Cyprus would work.

The report, entitled “Cyprus: Entering Another Stalemate” was prepared by Dr Tim Potier Assistant Professor of International Law and Human Rights at Intercollege and presented last night in Nicosia.

Chatham House, whose official name is The Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA), is one of the world's leading organisations for the analysis of international issues.

The seven-page report on Cyprus concludes that: “Irrespective of any constitutional settlement, power-sharing between the communities will almost certainly lead to the two sides squabbling over even the smallest of issues.”

It said the Cyprus problem appeared to have entered a new stalemate since the referendum on the Annan plan, which was rejected by Greek Cypriots and accepted by Turkish Cypriots.

The report notes that no further UN-brokered negotiations have been held since, the leaders of the two communities have not met during this period and that an increasing number of people both on the island and abroad are beginning to conclude that the Cyprus problem is unsolvable.

“The extended round of UN-brokered negotiations leading up to the April 24 referendum appears to have altered the positions of the sides little. Any new negotiations would almost certainly fail without the binding arbitration of the UN Secretary-general, but this is something the Greek Cypriots refuse to countenance happening a second time,” said the report. “Negotiations can be organised at any time under any conditions, but such type of negotiations will fail. Severe doubts must remain as to whether any reunification would work.”

It added there was little or no communication or trust between the bulk of the population on either side and that Greek Cypriots would never be able to accept the involvement of Turkey in the island’s internal affairs.
“Just as UN-brokered negotiations on Cyprus over the decades have been withering, so the European Union now risks being haunted by the unrelenting apparition that is the Cyprus problem,” it said.

The report also addresses Turkey’s EU accession course and suggests that the Cyprus government sees an opportunity to elicit key concessions from Ankara during the negotiations.

“It hopes to ‘Europeanise’ the solution to the Cyprus problem via the EU Council with the threat of many vetoes,” the report said. “There is a danger that the negotiations could be converted into discussions on the Cyprus issue, rather than on Turkey.”

It said Turkey would continue to refuse to have any direct dealings with the Cyprus government. “Irrespective of any other factor, this will not enable Ankara to extend the rights of free movement to Cyprus that implementation of the customs union agreement (from 1995) with the other nine new member states will give rise to. The Papadopoulos government will, as a result, be forced to spin media discussion of the issue in order to keep the electorate satisfied. Even if such an approach succeeds, it will only accentuate hostility towards Turkey among Greek Cypriots. Ankara’s refusal to recognice the ROC will, consequently, affect Turkey’s progress in negotiations,” the report said.

Commenting on the changes to the failed Annan plan that the Greek Cypriot side is seeking, the report said the changes sought by President Tassos Papadopoulos were extensive and would require the virtual rewriting of the more sensitive sections of the plan.

“He has sanitised his demands by continually stressing the need for the Plan’s ‘functionality’. However, these demands are so far removed from the current text that it is impossible to regard them as merely a maximal opening rejoinder before compromises can be reached in any later negotiations.

Ankara would never accept them and it is extremely doubtful whether Washington or London would seek to place any kind of pressure on Ankara to agree to most of them. Consequently, as long as Papadopoulos continues to hold to these positions, the prospects for any reunification occurring under him are almost zero,” the report said.

Even if some progress was made and a solution found, the Chatham report suggests that unless politicians on both sides change their mentality, it would all be in vain.

“Locally, the politicians have not inspired the confidence that they will be willing to continue making the necessary compromises in the early decades after any solution. Political dialogue across the divide has resorted to talking across, rather than to each other; the content is often childish. If politicians namecall and are so vulnerable to insults today, it must be doubtful whether they will have the wisdom effectively to govern a reunified state and member state of the European Union in which they will have to respond to the external demands of other countries’ interests, sudden events and a globalised world,” it said.

What do you think? This 'think-tank' is very pessimistic!
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Postby Anglo » Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:15 pm

I think it is spot on - and confirms what many ordinary people seem to have been thinking for a long time.
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Postby Agios Amvrosios » Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:18 am

This "think" tank put alot of effort into supporting the Annan Plan without actually consulting the majority of Cypriots. THe Truth is that for most participants it was probably an excuse to have cocktail parties.

No Cypriot really cares about this alleged"think' tank. What did it conclude in the end " solution is not possible because the Annan Plan is dead". If the Annan plan had a chance it would have been implemented in 1974. A plan based on ethnic cleanisng and population exchanges can only become more and more anachronistic with time. As europe progresses human rights and European values will form the philosophy of a new Cypriot constitution. Things cannot get worse than they already are i.e. the Annan Plan.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:19 am

Oh,dear.
It looks like those behind this "think tank" are really worried that there might be a hope for reunification.They are up to their old tricks,telling us we cannot possible live together,because we are too primitive to overcome our differences,too stupid to rule ourselves,too smallminded to direct our own destiny..Smell like the old "divide and rule" policy in another guise to me. it is up to us to prove them wrong,I suppose.Or to prove them right...
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:25 am

Birkibrisli wrote:Oh,dear.
It looks like those behind this "think tank" are really worried that there might be a hope for reunification.They are up to their old tricks,telling us we cannot possible live together,because we are too primitive to overcome our differences,too stupid to rule ourselves,too smallminded to direct our own destiny..Smell like the old "divide and rule" policy in another guise to me. it is up to us to prove them wrong,I suppose.Or to prove them right...


Come on Birkibrisli try and be honest arent we all those things you have stated and more, otherwise we would have been able to find a solution long time ago and build a Cypriot nation. Its the old Cypriot syndrom and cop out blame it on others, the other side, other countires, the martians etc etc we are never to blame. We have no desire, will or ability to solve even the basic of intercommunal events let alone share an island united as one nation.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:30 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Birkibrisli wrote:Oh,dear.
It looks like those behind this "think tank" are really worried that there might be a hope for reunification.They are up to their old tricks,telling us we cannot possible live together,because we are too primitive to overcome our differences,too stupid to rule ourselves,too smallminded to direct our own destiny..Smell like the old "divide and rule" policy in another guise to me. it is up to us to prove them wrong,I suppose.Or to prove them right...


Come on Birkibrisli try and be honest arent we all those things you have stated and more, otherwise we would have been able to find a solution long time ago and build a Cypriot nation. Its the old Cypriot syndrom and cop out blame it on others, the other side, other countires, the martians etc etc we are never to blame. We have no desire, will or ability to solve even the basic of intercommunal events let alone share an island united as one nation.


No Viewpoint...I don't think we are primitive or stupid or smallminded.
And you don't think so either.But what we are in my opinion is stubborn.Very stubborn.You will not admit even for a minute that we are capable of leaving our ethnic identities behind,and focus on our similarities as a nation.You have not moved an inch from 1964.Cypriots will always be either Turkish or Greek and they will always be at each others throats.You lack imagination and hope.You cannot dream of a Cyprus where people will just be Cypriots,where everyone will speak at least 3 languages,where there will be two equally official languages plus English in the interm,where the primary considerations will be human rights and equal opportunity for all.Where religion will have no place in state affairs(and here the GCs will need to do a lot of work!),and where people will affiliate only on the basis of their political beliefs.
Please don't think I am attacking you personally.I know there are many(perhaps the majority) of Cypriots who think like you do.And I know that I think the way I do because I lived away from Cyprus for the last 36 years,and I 've had the good fortune of getting to know some very good Greek and GC people who I'm proud to call my family(though some are now dead). So I know that we are capable of generosity of spirit,capable of breaking away from our narrow minds and prejudices.I am just trying to share this with people on this forum.You have every right to dismiss whatever I say,but I reserve the right to say what I think is right.But,hey,I don't even have a right to vote in Cyprus.What do I count?
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Postby bg_turk » Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:10 am

Birkibrisli wrote:No Viewpoint...I don't think we are primitive or stupid or smallminded.
And you don't think so either.But what we are in my opinion is stubborn.Very stubborn.You will not admit even for a minute that we are capable of leaving our ethnic identities behind,and focus on our similarities as a nation.You have not moved an inch from 1964.Cypriots will always be either Turkish or Greek and they will always be at each others throats.You lack imagination and hope.You cannot dream of a Cyprus where people will just be Cypriots,where everyone will speak at least 3 languages,where there will be two equally official languages plus English in the interm,where the primary considerations will be human rights and equal opportunity for all.Where religion will have no place in state affairs(and here the GCs will need to do a lot of work!),and where people will affiliate only on the basis of their political beliefs.
Please don't think I am attacking you personally.I know there are many(perhaps the majority) of Cypriots who think like you do.And I know that I think the way I do because I lived away from Cyprus for the last 36 years,and I 've had the good fortune of getting to know some very good Greek and GC people who I'm proud to call my family(though some are now dead). So I know that we are capable of generosity of spirit,capable of breaking away from our narrow minds and prejudices.I am just trying to share this with people on this forum.You have every right to dismiss whatever I say,but I reserve the right to say what I think is right.But,hey,I don't even have a right to vote in Cyprus.What do I count?


Slobodan Milosevic , perpetrator of the Srebrenica massacre, speech delivered in Kosovo, 28 June, 1989 commemorating the Kosovo battle against the Ottoman Turks:

Serbia has never had only Serbs living in it. Today, more than in the past, members of other peoples and nationalities also live in it. This is not a disadvantage for Serbia. I am truly convinced that it is its advantage. National composition of almost all countries in the world today, particularly developed ones, has also been changing in this direction. Citizens of different nationalities, religions, and races have been living together more and more frequently and more and more successfully.

Socialism in particular, being a progressive and just democratic society, should not allow people to be divided in the national and religious respect. The only differences one can and should allow in socialism are between hard working people and idlers and between honest people and dishonest people. Therefore, all people in Serbia who live from their own work, honestly, respecting other people and other nations, are in their own republic.

After all, our entire country [of Yugoslavia] should be set up on the basis of such principles. Yugoslavia is a multinational community and it can survive only under the conditions of full equality for all nations that live in it.

The crisis that hit Yugoslavia has brought about national divisions, but also social, cultural, religious and many other less important ones. Among all these divisions, nationalist ones have shown themselves to be the most dramatic. Resolving them will make it easier to remove other divisions and mitigate the consequences they have created.

For as long as multinational communities have existed, their weak point has always been the relations between different nations. The threat is that the question of one nation being endangered by the others can be posed one day -- and this can then start a wave of suspicions, accusations, and intolerance, a wave that invariably grows and is difficult to stop. This threat has been hanging like a sword over our heads all the time. Internal and external enemies of multi-national communities are aware of this and therefore they organize their activity against multinational societies mostly by fomenting national conflicts. At this moment, we in Yugoslavia are behaving as if we have never had such an experience and as if in our recent and distant past we have never experienced the worst tragedy of national conflicts that a society can experience and still survive.

Equal and harmonious relations among Yugoslav peoples are a necessary condition for the existence of Yugoslavia and for it to find its way out of the crisis and, in particular, they are a necessary condition for its economic and social prosperity. In this respect Yugoslavia does not stand out from the social milieu of the contemporary, particularly the developed, world. This world is more and more marked by national tolerance, national cooperation, and even national equality. The modern economic and technological, as well as political and cultural development, has guided various peoples toward each other, has made them interdependent and increasingly has made them equal toward each other [medjusobno ravnopravni]. Equal and united people can above all become a part of the civilization toward which mankind is moving. If we cannot be at the head of the column leading to such a civilization, there is certainly no need for us to be at is tail.

At the time when this famous historical battle was fought in Kosovo, the people were looking at the stars, expecting aid from them. Now, 6 centuries later, they are looking at the stars again, waiting to conquer them. On the first occasion, they could allow themselves to be disunited and to have hatred and treason because they lived in smaller, weakly interlinked worlds. Now, as people on this planet, they cannot conquer even their own planet if they are not united, let alone other planets, unless they live in mutual harmony and solidarity.

Therefore, words devoted to unity, solidarity, and cooperation among people have no greater significance anywhere on the soil of our motherland than they have here in the field of Kosovo, which is a symbol of disunity and treason.

In the memory of the Serbian people, this disunity was decisive in causing the loss of the battle and in bringing about the fate which Serbia suffered for a full 6 centuries.

Even if it were not so, from a historical point of view, it remains certain that the people regarded disunity as its greatest disaster. Therefore it is the obligation of the people to remove disunity, so that they may protect themselves from defeats, failures, and stagnation in the future.





Now tell me, how is it possible that this man with the idea of universal equality and justice could have possible contributed to the bloodbaths in Bosnia and Kosovo?
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Postby Main_Source » Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:16 am

I think it is spot on - and confirms what many ordinary people seem to have been thinking for a long time.


Whats this got to do with you English boy!? Your only cheerleading pro-division statements because the Turkish Embassy is paying you £1.50 an hour more then your trolley collecting job at Tesco's.
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Postby TheCabbie » Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:00 pm

Birkibrisli wrote:Oh,dear.
It looks like those behind this "think tank" are really worried that there might be a hope for reunification.They are up to their old tricks,telling us we cannot possible live together,because we are too primitive to overcome our differences,too stupid to rule ourselves,too smallminded to direct our own destiny..Smell like the old "divide and rule" policy in another guise to me. it is up to us to prove them wrong,I suppose.Or to prove them right...


If you want to call yourself stupid, primitive ect, that's up to you, but somehow I think you'll prove them right... :roll:
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Postby Sotos » Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:33 pm

If they let as alone then we could prove them wrong! They take all decisions and then they blame us!
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