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Re: The Role of America

Postby B25 » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:33 pm

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Maximus wrote:Another thing. The "TC federated state" will have the same old politicians and MPs coming and going representing them and maintaining positions of power for long periods of time. Like this Ozersay, he will be coming and going for decades.

There is not enough of them.


As if our own Omirou, and Papadopoulos and Klerides and Samson and sons and daughters are not going and coming already.
You have to vision what the BBF would really be my friend. Sure the Kibrislis will have political control of their fed part, that's what they always wanted to feel safe. Of course we all know the real Kibrislis today are only about 90K. Add as many settlers that will possibly stay. Add as many Kypreoi who will return. Add as many EU citizens who will reside there. That;s a total of almost 400K, it's enough population to pay taxes and sustain the Fed state. Who cares who the politicians would be, the politicians are there to crunch our money, the real economy comes from the rest of us hard working people.
After all how many real Kypreoi do you think we are at the free areas? Only about 500K. The rest are EU citizens and some Asians.

The point for us is that WE HAVE TO strike a deal with the Kibrislis otherwise they will all be gone, and then with who are we going to find a solution ?


SO let me see, we have the recognition, the membership of all international organs, our own EEZ, EU membership and whatever else, and we are looking to hand it over to the TCs for what exactly, so that they can 'feel safe' or so that we can go north without showing out IDs??? Seems everything is going from this direction to theirs, what's in it for us??

As for the TCs disappearing, tough shit, turkey will then have no reason to stay, huh? Short sighted this might sound, but it's fact. Someone needs to tell me what are we really negotiating for our side, because from where I am standing, it seems to be just to please a few Turkish co*k suckers this side.
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Re: The Role of America

Postby Jerry » Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:08 pm

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SO let me see, we have the recognition, the membership of all international organs, our own EEZ, EU membership and whatever else, and we are looking to hand it over to the TCs for what exactly, so that they can 'feel safe' or so that we can go north without showing out IDs??? Seems everything is going from this direction to theirs, what's in it for us??

As for the TCs disappearing, tough shit, turkey will then have no reason to stay, huh? Short sighted this might sound, but it's fact. Someone needs to tell me what are we really negotiating for our side, because from where I am standing, it seems to be just to please a few Turkish co*k suckers this side.


We are expecting to get back a significant part of the occupied territory - that's what. The more they return to the southern state the more "independence" we will agree to , it's a balancing act.
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Re: The Role of America

Postby Maximus » Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:19 pm

Jerry wrote:
B25 wrote:]

SO let me see, we have the recognition, the membership of all international organs, our own EEZ, EU membership and whatever else, and we are looking to hand it over to the TCs for what exactly, so that they can 'feel safe' or so that we can go north without showing out IDs??? Seems everything is going from this direction to theirs, what's in it for us??

As for the TCs disappearing, tough shit, turkey will then have no reason to stay, huh? Short sighted this might sound, but it's fact. Someone needs to tell me what are we really negotiating for our side, because from where I am standing, it seems to be just to please a few Turkish co*k suckers this side.


We are expecting to get back a significant part of the occupied territory - that's what. The more they return to the southern state the more "independence" we will agree to , it's a balancing act.


How is this compatible with a single international personality and single citizenship (within the EU)? This balancing act of Turkish conquered land in exchange for varying degrees of independence diverges instead of converging to a focal point of being single, united, democratic and an EU member state.

B25 asks the right questions.
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Re: The Role of America

Postby Jerry » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:04 pm

Maximus wrote:
Jerry wrote:
B25 wrote:]

SO let me see, we have the recognition, the membership of all international organs, our own EEZ, EU membership and whatever else, and we are looking to hand it over to the TCs for what exactly, so that they can 'feel safe' or so that we can go north without showing out IDs??? Seems everything is going from this direction to theirs, what's in it for us??

As for the TCs disappearing, tough shit, turkey will then have no reason to stay, huh? Short sighted this might sound, but it's fact. Someone needs to tell me what are we really negotiating for our side, because from where I am standing, it seems to be just to please a few Turkish co*k suckers this side.


We are expecting to get back a significant part of the occupied territory - that's what. The more they return to the southern state the more "independence" we will agree to , it's a balancing act.


How is this compatible with a single international personality and single citizenship (within the EU)? This balancing act of Turkish conquered land in exchange for varying degrees of independence diverges instead of converging to a focal point of being single and united.

B25 asks the right questions.


I was under the impression that there would be two federated states, if the southern one is to remain at 60% then the talks are going nowhere. The Greek Cypriots have to factor in the possibe failure the new federated state. I can't see many displaced GCs moving north unless it is within the new southern state. The AP only allowed a small percentage to return to what is now the "trnc", I doubt the TC negotiators would accept mass return just as we would not want nor accept the settlers into the south. It seems clear to me that Turkey wants as loose a federation as possible, that's the price they want for dropping their guarantees. The end result will be a very weak federation with two automous states ready to break upat the first sign of conflict, we'll feel pretty sick if we only end up with a little more than half won't we.
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Re: The Role of America

Postby Flying Horse » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:17 pm

How on earth can you have two states within one island that has EU status as a WHOLE?

Yes, I know we have that currently, but still, I'm getting a little confused by all this jargon towards reunion.
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Re: The Role of America

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:26 pm

B25 wrote:
SO let me see, we have the recognition, the membership of all international organs, our own EEZ, EU membership and whatever else, and we are looking to hand it over to the TCs for what exactly, so that they can 'feel safe' or so that we can go north without showing out IDs??? Seems everything is going from this direction to theirs, what's in it for us??

As for the TCs disappearing, tough shit, turkey will then have no reason to stay, huh? Short sighted this might sound, but it's fact. Someone needs to tell me what are we really negotiating for our side, because from where I am standing, it seems to be just to please a few Turkish co*k suckers this side.


Actually everything of what we have is hanging from a weak thread.Haven't you noticed that they move from one postponement to another in getting the damn gas out? It costs us billions to maintain a defensive force that guarantees us nothing. Do you know that interest rates alone are taxed 30% for defense? We will earn ABSOLUTE 100% ownership of our occupied properties. Any plan that will dare touch that right will go to the trash bin immediately. THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE THE ANAN PLAN! The value of these properties alone are multiple times more than the value of gas, just investing on them could of wipe off all the pathetic debts the Banks and the Government drove us to.We will earn the right to move and settle anywhere we like. Refugees will get out of the miserable 2nd class citizens status they currently are.
Plus we will have the Kibrislis thanking us from saving them from their "savors"
If that's not what we want then what on earth is it?
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Re: The Role of America

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:34 pm

Flying Horse wrote:How on earth can you have two states within one island that has EU status as a WHOLE?

Yes, I know we have that currently, but still, I'm getting a little confused by all this jargon towards reunion.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: The Role of America

Postby Flying Horse » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:39 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Flying Horse wrote:How on earth can you have two states within one island that has EU status as a WHOLE?

Yes, I know we have that currently, but still, I'm getting a little confused by all this jargon towards reunion.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
And you still participate in this section of the forum???

Yes, because I like to read, and like to learn.

No need to be so rude.
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Re: The Role of America

Postby Get Real! » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:40 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Flying Horse wrote:How on earth can you have two states within one island that has EU status as a WHOLE?

Yes, I know we have that currently, but still, I'm getting a little confused by all this jargon towards reunion.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
And you still participate in this section of the forum???

Pyro, I'd direct that question to you... :)
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Re: The Role of America

Postby Maximus » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:42 pm

The objective is the same. To end the Turkish military occupation of Cyprus, the removal of settlers, respecting everyone's property rights, respecting democracy, EU law (RoC law) island wide, respecting Cyprus's EEZ, the UN charter and the UNSC resolutions on Cyprus.
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