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Re: Was it a mistake to join the eu?

Postby observer » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:12 pm

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B25 wrote:Joining the Euro was a pre-condition of entry for Cyprus. We had no choice.


Yes I know. But the UK managed to get out of it so I am wondering whether we could have done the same as them.


You cannot compare the UK with Cyprus. They were big enough to negotiate their way out, what power did we have. We wanted in so it was a consequence of doing it. We may have trouble with the Euro now, but without it (EU) Turkey would have fucked us over many times. It is a hidden blessing!


Can you say one thing that Turkey has done differently between 2004 and 2014 when Cyprus was in the EU that was not the case between 1974 and 2004 when Cyprus was not in the EU?
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Re: Was it a mistake to join the eu?

Postby Paphitis » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:17 pm

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B25 wrote:Joining the Euro was a pre-condition of entry for Cyprus. We had no choice.


Yes I know. But the UK managed to get out of it so I am wondering whether we could have done the same as them.


You cannot compare the UK with Cyprus. They were big enough to negotiate their way out, what power did we have. We wanted in so it was a consequence of doing it. We may have trouble with the Euro now, but without it (EU) Turkey would have fucked us over many times. It is a hidden blessing!


Can you say one thing that Turkey has done differently between 2004 and 2014 when Cyprus was in the EU that was not the case between 1974 and 2004 when Cyprus was not in the EU?


Turkey can't join ever without a comprehensive solution to the Cyprus Problem!

That in itself says it all!
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Re: Was it a mistake to join the eu?

Postby observer » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:20 pm

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Paphitis wrote:On the contrary, the EU is the RoC's biggest guarantor for political stability and the greatest guarantee for the TCs as a community!


I rather think that's what I meant. Preserving the status quo - no, not the pop group :lol: - I mean preserving the Green Line.


I am sure that is your wish! Which explains why you do not see the point of the EU!

Like it or not, if the EU will exist indefinitely, then the "trnc" will not.


Of course the EU will exist ............... well, at least for a long time, probably. And, just as I said, RoC joining the EU has meant the Green Line will exist for longer whether you or I like it or not. This means that TRNC will last for longer. Nothing to do with what you or I want.
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Re: Was it a mistake to join the eu?

Postby observer » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:21 pm

No Paphitis.

The Question was: Can you say one thing that Turkey has done differently between 2004 and 2014 when Cyprus was in the EU that was not the case between 1974 and 2004 when Cyprus was not in the EU?

Continuing to do the same thing doesn't count.
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Re: Was it a mistake to join the eu?

Postby Paphitis » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:22 pm

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Paphitis wrote:On the contrary, the EU is the RoC's biggest guarantor for political stability and the greatest guarantee for the TCs as a community!


I rather think that's what I meant. Preserving the status quo - no, not the pop group :lol: - I mean preserving the Green Line.


I am sure that is your wish! Which explains why you do not see the point of the EU!

Like it or not, if the EU will exist indefinitely, then the "trnc" will not.


Of course the EU will exist ............... well, at least for a long time, probably. And, just as I said, RoC joining the EU has meant the Green Line will exist for longer whether you or I like it or not. This means that TRNC will last for longer. Nothing to do with what you or I want.


Pull the other one.

Joining the EU has ensured the death of the "trnc" sooner rather than later, because Turkey has little choice but to seek a comprehensive solution.

You lost the war when the RoC joined the EU!
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Re: Was it a mistake to join the eu?

Postby Paphitis » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:25 pm

observer wrote:No Paphitis.

The Question was: Can you say one thing that Turkey has done differently between 2004 and 2014 when Cyprus was in the EU that was not the case between 1974 and 2004 when Cyprus was not in the EU?


I just told you!

Turkey will NEVER join without a comprehensive settlement. Therefore we have negotiations and agreement on a Joint Communique despite Turkey's Crocodile Tears. Even the US is pitching in now.
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Re: Was it a mistake to join the eu?

Postby observer » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:29 pm

Paphitis wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:On the contrary, the EU is the RoC's biggest guarantor for political stability and the greatest guarantee for the TCs as a community!


I rather think that's what I meant. Preserving the status quo - no, not the pop group :lol: - I mean preserving the Green Line.


I am sure that is your wish! Which explains why you do not see the point of the EU!

Like it or not, if the EU will exist indefinitely, then the "trnc" will not.


Of course the EU will exist ............... well, at least for a long time, probably. And, just as I said, RoC joining the EU has meant the Green Line will exist for longer whether you or I like it or not. This means that TRNC will last for longer. Nothing to do with what you or I want.


Pull the other one.

Joining the EU has ensured the death of the "trnc" sooner rather than later, because Turkey has little choice but to seek a comprehensive solution.

You lost the war when the RoC joined the EU!



And 10 years later Turkey hasn't noticed while RoC's banks are bled dry by the EU. Congratulations on your victory.
Can you suggest why Turkey might want to follow the path of Greece, Cyprus, Italy, Spain etc. in joining this wonderful club?
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Re: Was it a mistake to join the eu?

Postby Get Real! » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:35 pm

observer wrote:Can you suggest why Turkey might want to follow the path of Greece, Cyprus, Italy, Spain etc. in joining this wonderful club?

Because Turkey thinks it can custom design an EU membership… in other words enjoy the “grandeur” of such membership while hanging onto their usual ways... but of course that cannot happen.

Even Britain is being bullied by the EU these days because the EU has grown too strong... they're the wealthiest entity on the planet with over 14 trillion dollars in their wallet.
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Re: Was it a mistake to join the eu?

Postby observer » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:45 pm

observer wrote:Because Turkey thinks it can custom design an EU membership… in other words enjoy the “grandeur” of such membership while hanging onto their usual ways... but of course that cannot happen.


I agree with you. This will not happen. So, to return to my original question: Can you say one thing that Turkey has done differently between 2004 and 2014 when Cyprus was in the EU that was not the case between 1974 and 2004 when Cyprus was not in the EU?

Or is it for nothing that Cyprus has joined a club that it cannot afford to be a member of? Making it a mistake for Cyprus to have joined the EU.
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Re: Was it a mistake to join the eu?

Postby Paphitis » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:47 pm

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observer wrote:Because Turkey thinks it can custom design an EU membership… in other words enjoy the “grandeur” of such membership while hanging onto their usual ways... but of course that cannot happen.


I agree with you. This will not happen. So, to return to my original question: Can you say one thing that Turkey has done differently between 2004 and 2014 when Cyprus was in the EU that was not the case between 1974 and 2004 when Cyprus was not in the EU?

Or is it for nothing that Cyprus has joined a club that it cannot afford to be a member of? Making it a mistake for Cyprus to have joined the EU.


Turkey is squealing like a Bitch to join the same club the RoC is a member of (EU). And guess what. They NEVER will be able to without a comprehensive settlement!

Where is their self respect?
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