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[tsukoui]

Paphitis lumps EOKA B and AKEL together, but the former seems well represented on this forum whilst the latter is nowhere to be found.

To my mind solution to the Cyprus problem lies with the left, yet some people seem stuck in a Cold War mentality.

Britain has its Labour Party, are we to consider them the enemy too?

[Cap]

You'll probably hear the most well rounded opinions and the Gawd's honest truth from Paphitis than from anyone else on this forum.

[Sotos]

I am sort of left in certain issues

[Flying Horse]

None of the above

[GreekIslandGirl]

Left and right are outmoded terms. Best to treat each issue according to its own merits, much as a judge would - weigh up the evidence and apply fairness tests.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis lumps EOKA B and AKEL together, but the former seems well represented on this forum whilst the latter is nowhere to be found.

To my mind solution to the Cyprus problem lies with the left, yet some people seem stuck in a Cold War mentality.

Britain has its Labour Party, are we to consider them the enemy too?

The Labour Parties of the UK, and Australia and Germany for instance are NOT communists. They are mere middle Left Wing parties connected to the Labour Unions. They have nothing in common with AKEL in Cyprus who still is talking with a rhetoric as if we are still in the Cold War period. In fact, the Labour Movements in the UK, Germany and Australia have a Right Wing faction.

The Communist Parties in those countries would be lucky to get 0.3% of the vote.

There is no room for a Party like AKEL in this modern age.

[CBBB]

There is no room for a Party like AKEL in this modern age.

I'll drink to that!

[tsukoui]

Paphitis lumps EOKA B and AKEL together, but the former seems well represented on this forum whilst the latter is nowhere to be found.

To my mind solution to the Cyprus problem lies with the left, yet some people seem stuck in a Cold War mentality.

Britain has its Labour Party, are we to consider them the enemy too?

The Labour Parties of the UK, and Australia and Germany for instance are NOT communists. They are mere middle Left Wing parties connected to the Labour Unions. They have nothing in common with AKEL in Cyprus who still is talking with a rhetoric as if we are still in the Cold War period. In fact, the Labour Movements in the UK, Germany and Australia have a Right Wing faction.

The Communist Parties in those countries would be lucky to get 0.3% of the vote.

There is no room for a Party like AKEL in this modern age.

Pathitis, Britain is a great place to live. Do I want to see Britain turn into some kind of North Korea. No! Absolutely not. But Britain consumes three times its share of the world's resources. The U.S. consumes five times on average. That means it would take five planets for everyone to consume the same level of resources as the average U.S. American. The problems with capitalism that Marx identified still exist. In fact Marx praised capitalism as a great human achievement in moving beyond feudalism. If you look at how AKEL behaves, it is no more radical than the British Labour Party. Indeed the British Labour Party of 1946 was way more radical. So it is the rhetoric you object to. What is wrong with discussing how we make the next great human achievement? What is wrong with taking into account the global situation rather than restricting ourselves to that of the West which is unsustainable? But the point of my question is not to try and convince you to change your views. Rather I am wondering, if communist views are so well represented in the Cyprus elections, why are they not represented here on this forum? Paphitis, the idea that you are a British agent is crazy, but I also find this forum very strange. What do you do with yourself? How come you are able to spend all day every day on here?

[Paphitis]

Paphitis lumps EOKA B and AKEL together, but the former seems well represented on this forum whilst the latter is nowhere to be found.

To my mind solution to the Cyprus problem lies with the left, yet some people seem stuck in a Cold War mentality.

Britain has its Labour Party, are we to consider them the enemy too?

The Labour Parties of the UK, and Australia and Germany for instance are NOT communists. They are mere middle Left Wing parties connected to the Labour Unions. They have nothing in common with AKEL in Cyprus who still is talking with a rhetoric as if we are still in the Cold War period. In fact, the Labour Movements in the UK, Germany and Australia have a Right Wing faction.

The Communist Parties in those countries would be lucky to get 0.3% of the vote.

There is no room for a Party like AKEL in this modern age.

Pathitis, Britain is a great place to live. Do I want to see Britain turn into some kind of North Korea. No! Absolutely not. But Britain consumes three times its share of the world's resources. The U.S. consumes five times on average. That means it would take five planets for everyone to consume the same level of resources as the average U.S. American. The problems with capitalism that Marx identified still exist. In fact Marx praised capitalism as a great human achievement in moving beyond feudalism. If you look at how AKEL behaves, it is no more radical than the British Labour Party. Indeed the British Labour Party of 1946 was way more radical. So it is the rhetoric you object to. What is wrong with discussing how we make the next great human achievement? What is wrong with taking into account the global situation rather than restricting ourselves to that of the West which is unsustainable? But the point of my question is not to try and convince you to change your views. Rather I am wondering, if communist views are so well represented in the Cyprus elections, why are they not represented here on this forum? Paphitis, the idea that you are a British agent is crazy, but I also find this forum very strange. What do you do with yourself? How come you are able to spend all day every day on here?

The US and UK are industrialized Nations. People need to work and earn a living.

Who are you comparing them to? Other Industrial economies or North Korea?

[tsukoui]

Pathitis, Britain is a great place to live. Do I want to see Britain turn into some kind of North Korea. No! Absolutely not. But Britain consumes three times its share of the world's resources. The U.S. consumes five times on average. That means it would take five planets for everyone to consume the same level of resources as the average U.S. American. The problems with capitalism that Marx identified still exist. In fact Marx praised capitalism as a great human achievement in moving beyond feudalism. If you look at how AKEL behaves, it is no more radical than the British Labour Party. Indeed the British Labour Party of 1946 was way more radical. So it is the rhetoric you object to. What is wrong with discussing how we make the next great human achievement? What is wrong with taking into account the global situation rather than restricting ourselves to that of the West which is unsustainable? But the point of my question is not to try and convince you to change your views. Rather I am wondering, if communist views are so well represented in the Cyprus elections, why are they not represented here on this forum? Paphitis, the idea that you are a British agent is crazy, but I also find this forum very strange. What do you do with yourself? How come you are able to spend all day every day on here?

The US and UK are industrialized Nations. People need to work and earn a living.

Who are you comparing them to? Other Industrial economies or North Korea?

My statistics are not comparisons they are shares of the total finite available resources on the planet. Technology opens up new resources, it may be in the future that all countries will be able to have the average consumption level of U.S. Americans. But it is not presently possible. I am "Marxian" as opposed to "Marxist" which means I appreciate Marx without holding his every word as dogma. Marx saw the most developed countries as the vanguard where the next stage of human development would develop first. Lenin challenged this. Cyprus is a beautiful place to live, and AKEL has been an integral part of making it so. You need to take ownership of the dialectic, otherwise you will always be lost in battling for one side.