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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Kikapu » Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:26 am

Missing jet: Piracy would require special skills

To steal Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 out of midair would require a pilot who knew how to elude detection by both civilian and military radar. It would take a runway at least a mile long to land the wide-body jet, possibly in the dark, and a hangar big enough to hide it. All without being seen.

Improbable but not impossible, experts say.

With the search for the missing airliner entering its eighth day, scenarios involving piracy or hijacking are increasingly being talked about as possible explanations for the disappearance of the Boeing 777 with 239 people on board.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStor ... s-22921199
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:44 am

Kikapu wrote:
Missing jet: Piracy would require special skills

To steal Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 out of midair would require a pilot who knew how to elude detection by both civilian and military radar. It would take a runway at least a mile long to land the wide-body jet, possibly in the dark, and a hangar big enough to hide it. All without being seen.

Improbable but not impossible, experts say.

With the search for the missing airliner entering its eighth day, scenarios involving piracy or hijacking are increasingly being talked about as possible explanations for the disappearance of the Boeing 777 with 239 people on board.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStor ... s-22921199


Well apparently hijacking is the official reason according to investigators. This has just been announced 1 hour ago, but am unsure what they mean by "official".

The search area, however has expanded towards India and deep into the Indian Ocean and the fear is that the the Flight Data Recorder may be in such deep water that it will not be possible to recover.

Malaysia's Prime Minister is expected to announce that hijacking is now conclusive so we will here more details very soon about the hijacking of MH370.

Last known position was Palau Parak (Malaysia) when Malaysian Military Radar lost primary contact some 60 minutes AFTER the Transponder went down or was on STANDBY.

All in all, 16 countries are involved in the search effort, including P3 Orions, P8 Poseidon, and USS Kidd Class Frigates. It is massive effort.

Very sad and tragic if this is in fact true.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Kikapu » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:36 am

Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Missing jet: Piracy would require special skills

To steal Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 out of midair would require a pilot who knew how to elude detection by both civilian and military radar. It would take a runway at least a mile long to land the wide-body jet, possibly in the dark, and a hangar big enough to hide it. All without being seen.

Improbable but not impossible, experts say.

With the search for the missing airliner entering its eighth day, scenarios involving piracy or hijacking are increasingly being talked about as possible explanations for the disappearance of the Boeing 777 with 239 people on board.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStor ... s-22921199


Well apparently hijacking is the official reason according to investigators. This has just been announced 1 hour ago, but am unsure what they mean by "official".

The search area, however has expanded towards India and deep into the Indian Ocean and the fear is that the the Flight Data Recorder may be in such deep water that it will not be possible to recover.

Malaysia's Prime Minister is expected to announce that hijacking is now conclusive so we will here more details very soon about the hijacking of MH370.

Last known position was Palau Parak (Malaysia) when Malaysian Military Radar lost primary contact some 60 minutes AFTER the Transponder went down or was on STANDBY.

All in all, 16 countries are involved in the search effort, including P3 Orions, P8 Poseidon, and USS Kidd Class Frigates. It is massive effort.

Very sad and tragic if this is in fact true.


The only problem I have with the aircraft crashing into Indian Ocean after hijacking is, why would the hijackers who were on intent to crash the plane would take the trouble to fly the aircraft undetected for few hours from it's last known position and crash it into the Ocean at an unknown location to create the mystery? I have a hard time buying that, because the whole purpose of terrorism is to "show off their results" to the world.

I think there's much more to this story than we are told. I want to know what this aircraft was carrying in it's cargo hold.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby B25 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:47 am

I can't believe for a moment that they (UK/US/Russians/Chinese) don't know where this plane is.

It's just that no one wants to admit they are spying on anyone else. With all the gizmos they have in space, to be able to read the writing on your condom packet, and they can't spot a huge plane, give me a break.

This becoming another 9/11, and if anyone still thinks it was a terrorist attack and not a home grown plot then, well, sad!
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Demonax » Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:57 pm

Kikapu wrote:
The only problem I have with the aircraft crashing into Indian Ocean after hijacking is, why would the hijackers who were on intent to crash the plane would take the trouble to fly the aircraft undetected for few hours from it's last known position and crash it into the Ocean at an unknown location to create the mystery? I have a hard time buying that, because the whole purpose of terrorism is to "show off their results" to the world.

I think there's much more to this story than we are told. I want to know what this aircraft was carrying in it's cargo hold.


I'm not sure they were intent on crashing the plane into a building in the manner of 9/11. It seems to me that if they were Islamic extremists then they were either planning to hijack the plane to an unknown destination and ran out of fuel.

Or it might have been their plan to kill everyone on board by crashing it into the sea. Remember that most on board were Chinese nationals and the leader of an extremist Uighur group recently declared it a duty of his followers to kill Chinese citizens.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Demonax » Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:28 pm

More on the mysterious passenger 84:

Police investigating the backgrounds of all 239 people aboard the missing Malaysia Airlines flight are paying “special attention” to a 35 year-old Chinese Uighur man who undertook flight simulation training, according to a report in a leading Malay language newspaper in Kuala Lumpur.

The Uighurs Muslim ethnic minority group from the north-western Chinese province of Xinjiang have been battling for independence since they were brought under Chinese control in 1949, claiming they are oppressed by China’s authoritarian government and face religious restrictions and widespread discrimination.

Earlier this month the Uighurs, who make up 45 percent of the population of Xinjiang, were blamed for a violent attack at a Chinese train station.

At least 100 people have been killed in the past year in violent clashes between Uighurs and Chinese security forces.
The Harian Metro newspaper quoted an unnamed source as saying the man is not a suspect over the plane’s disappearance but that investigators were delving into his background.

According to the source the man has a PHD from a university in Britain was recently worked as a lecturer at a university in Turkey.

The source said he undertook flight simulation training in Sweden in around 2006.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-mal ... z2w1uWdM6S
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Kikapu » Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:30 pm

Demonax wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
The only problem I have with the aircraft crashing into Indian Ocean after hijacking is, why would the hijackers who were on intent to crash the plane would take the trouble to fly the aircraft undetected for few hours from it's last known position and crash it into the Ocean at an unknown location to create the mystery? I have a hard time buying that, because the whole purpose of terrorism is to "show off their results" to the world.

I think there's much more to this story than we are told. I want to know what this aircraft was carrying in it's cargo hold.


I'm not sure they were intent on crashing the plane into a building in the manner of 9/11. It seems to me that if they were Islamic extremists then they were either planning to hijack the plane to an unknown destination and ran out of fuel.

Or it might have been their plan to kill everyone on board by crashing it into the sea. Remember that most on board were Chinese nationals and the leader of an extremist Uighur group recently declared it a duty of his followers to kill Chinese citizens.


Then you would have expected the hijackers to take over the plane over Chinese territory and crash it downtown Beijing to kill as many Chinese as possible in the thousands.

No, I don't think that is it either for me.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:24 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Missing jet: Piracy would require special skills

To steal Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 out of midair would require a pilot who knew how to elude detection by both civilian and military radar. It would take a runway at least a mile long to land the wide-body jet, possibly in the dark, and a hangar big enough to hide it. All without being seen.

Improbable but not impossible, experts say.

With the search for the missing airliner entering its eighth day, scenarios involving piracy or hijacking are increasingly being talked about as possible explanations for the disappearance of the Boeing 777 with 239 people on board.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStor ... s-22921199


Well apparently hijacking is the official reason according to investigators. This has just been announced 1 hour ago, but am unsure what they mean by "official".

The search area, however has expanded towards India and deep into the Indian Ocean and the fear is that the the Flight Data Recorder may be in such deep water that it will not be possible to recover.

Malaysia's Prime Minister is expected to announce that hijacking is now conclusive so we will here more details very soon about the hijacking of MH370.

Last known position was Palau Parak (Malaysia) when Malaysian Military Radar lost primary contact some 60 minutes AFTER the Transponder went down or was on STANDBY.

All in all, 16 countries are involved in the search effort, including P3 Orions, P8 Poseidon, and USS Kidd Class Frigates. It is massive effort.

Very sad and tragic if this is in fact true.


The only problem I have with the aircraft crashing into Indian Ocean after hijacking is, why would the hijackers who were on intent to crash the plane would take the trouble to fly the aircraft undetected for few hours from it's last known position and crash it into the Ocean at an unknown location to create the mystery? I have a hard time buying that, because the whole purpose of terrorism is to "show off their results" to the world.

I think there's much more to this story than we are told. I want to know what this aircraft was carrying in it's cargo hold.


There are many very plausible scenarios.

So far, they are saying that the aircraft was hijacked, but it still may not be an act of terrorism in the true sense.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:33 pm

B25 wrote:I can't believe for a moment that they (UK/US/Russians/Chinese) don't know where this plane is.

It's just that no one wants to admit they are spying on anyone else. With all the gizmos they have in space, to be able to read the writing on your condom packet, and they can't spot a huge plane, give me a break.

This becoming another 9/11, and if anyone still thinks it was a terrorist attack and not a home grown plot then, well, sad!


The UK/US/Russians and Chinese do not monitor every single aircraft and ship around the world, and even if they do have this capability, they would not be at all interested unless it was of specific interest or someone of interest was on board. There would have to be a reason for the US to be interested in MH370.

The Malaysian Primary Radar that was tracking the aircraft was the one at RMAF Butterworth. It is practically a joint Malaysian and Australian facility. The radar there is state of the art and probably one of the best in the world.

And yes, you make a very good point about countries avoiding political confrontation. It would be true that countries like the US would be allowing Malaysia to take the lead role as interference might not go down to well considering Asian sensitivities and culture. It is important to help them, but not to actually offend their sensitivities and I can tell you that the US as well as 15 to 16 other countries in the region and trying to help the Malaysians as much as possible.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Kikapu » Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:35 pm

Paphitis wrote:
There are many very plausible scenarios.
So far, they are saying that the aircraft was hijacked,but it still may not be an act of terrorism in the true sense.


I can go along with that.
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