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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:29 pm

Kikapu wrote:Actually, the 1,440,000 sq/km I have given above is way off. That was the calculation based on the aircraft going ONLY in another direction other than the south, but since we don't know, it could have gone in any direction other than south which makes the haystack much much bigger. After re-thinking, it should be somewhere close to 4,674,000 sq/km at max, because if the plane made a directional change after the 7th ping and flew for another 59 minutes in any other direction but the south at 900Km per hour (over the ground speed) and adding the new figure +-181Km, we would get this new figure of possible crash site to search.

Yes Pyro, finding the MH370 can ONLY be by accident at this point, unless there are other know information out there we don't know about!


The 7th ping occurred 7:29 hours after take off. BTO at that point was 18040 microseconds
9 minutes later, or 7:38 hours after take off, they got that partial handshake (lets call it ping 8 ). That partial handshake data transmitted totally weird data (BTO=23000 microseconds), indicating that the plane had moved by 1488 Km away from the position of ping 7 which is impossible to happen within 9 minutes.
Even more weird is what they received 5 seconds later (lets call it ping 9) they describe it as "the last transmission received from the aircraft terminal" whose BTO was an amazing 49660 microseconds which indicates that the plane traveled further away by 7998Km within 5 seconds!!!!

You may have a look at my graph that shows all these. I have not included ping 9 (it would destroy my graph) however i did include ping 8 the partial handshake just for the record. numbers in parentheses are hours from take off-comma-distance from sat elite in km
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If the above data for pings 8 and 9 were correct then the plane was sucked by a black hole :lol: :lol: :lol:

Striking out pings 8 and 9 as unreliable we can assume the Engines stopped 9 minutes after ping 7. So it should have traveled about 120 km straight away from the position of ping 7 plus whatever distance it needed to descend in the sea without fuel possibly in a random direction.Add to that the positional error at ping 7 of +-181Km.
Amazingly large area indeed. :wink:
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:45 pm

Now if there is any reliability on the BFOs (burst Frequency offsets) that were used with the Doppler effect to establish direction of movement
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at Ping 7 we had 252 Hz
at Ping 8(partial handshake) we had 182 Hz
and at ping 9 Final transmission we had -2 Hz!!

Well well, that would mean the plane changed direction completely -probably gone nuts :wink: :lol:
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:54 pm

Paphitis wrote:
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Ground Initiated Air telephony Calls are just radio calls on the Air Band - basically Air Traffic Control Sercices calling for MH370 to respond.

The question is, WHO was calling for MH370?


It just shows the transmitters attached on the Rolls Royce Engines "cheat" other data other than those concerning the Engines themselves. But yes that's a good question who was calling?


These transmissions are done through SATCOM, and are uploaded onto the Inmarsat Satellite before being downlinked to the relevant authority on that particular frequency.

It means some authority attempted to contact the aircraft and I am guessing it was an Australian AWACS. Contact would be attempted if the aircraft was detected 100%. Again I get back to JORN.

It also explains to me why and how the Australian Military just began looking for MH370 in the Indian Ocean just out of the blue before the Inmarsat data was announced.

http://www.airforce.gov.au/Technology/A ... 1Q4caywtso


That could explain the 23:13 call, how about the 18:39 one (take off was at 16:41)
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:21 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Ground Initiated Air telephony Calls are just radio calls on the Air Band - basically Air Traffic Control Sercices calling for MH370 to respond.

The question is, WHO was calling for MH370?


It just shows the transmitters attached on the Rolls Royce Engines "cheat" other data other than those concerning the Engines themselves. But yes that's a good question who was calling?


These transmissions are done through SATCOM, and are uploaded onto the Inmarsat Satellite before being downlinked to the relevant authority on that particular frequency.

It means some authority attempted to contact the aircraft and I am guessing it was an Australian AWACS. Contact would be attempted if the aircraft was detected 100%. Again I get back to JORN.

It also explains to me why and how the Australian Military just began looking for MH370 in the Indian Ocean just out of the blue before the Inmarsat data was announced.

http://www.airforce.gov.au/Technology/A ... 1Q4caywtso


That could explain the 23:13 call, how about the 18:39 one (take off was at 16:41)


Thai Military!
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:24 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Now if there is any reliability on the BFOs (burst Frequency offsets) that were used with the Doppler effect to establish direction of movement
then
at Ping 7 we had 252 Hz
at Ping 8(partial handshake) we had 182 Hz
and at ping 9 Final transmission we had -2 Hz!!

Well well, that would mean the plane changed direction completely -probably gone nuts :wink: :lol:


No I don't think so. The transmissions were Aircraft to Satellite to Aircraft. The BTO offset would be calculated from uplink to downlink and the time difference used to calculate direction of travel or if the aircraft increased or decreased its distance from the satellite. It's that simple.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:05 pm

You are totally lost Paphitis.
Have a look at this drawing maybe you can understand how it's done.

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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:16 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:You are totally lost Paphitis.
Have a look at this drawing maybe you can understand how it's done.

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Where did you get this from?
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:13 pm

From the book titled "stupid questions" :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:14 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:From the book titled "stupid questions" :lol: :lol: :lol:


Or was it on the book entitled "101 ways to prove I am an idiot"?
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:15 pm

i bet you have read that one :lol: :lol: :lol:
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