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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:27 pm

Hmmm... I just noticed GIC's link says

narrowed to a circular area with a radius of 10km (6.2 miles) around the location from which one of four pings believed to have come from the recorders was detected on 8 April, officials said.

Which pings were detected on the 8th of April Paphitis? :wink:
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:14 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
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Which one? ....


Ping 3 or 4

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OK - it would make sense to look at the final detection area and dismiss the earlier ones given no other preference between them (clarity etc).

According to the JACC, the focused underwater search area is defined as a circle of 10 km radius around the second Towed Pinger Locator detection which occurred on April 8.


The second one detected on 8th April is presumably PING 4.

Was this signal, PING 4, actually the best one of the four, or does the search rest entirely on the fact this was the final one detected?

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/? ... n-5-7-days
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:27 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:The second one detected on 8th April is presumably PING 4.

Was this signal, PING 4, actually the best one of the four, * or does the search rest entirely on the fact this was the final one detected?

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/? ... n-5-7-days


I don't know GIG. I only did some work on Ping No 1. The only thing i could personally confirm out of that was that the pings were coming every 1.1 seconds.

I said pings 3 or 4 knowing they have already explored the area fro 1 & 2. After carefully reading your links I discovered I was correct.This bluefin drone is pretty fast. As we speak it's down for it's 7th mission, and already scanned 133 Km2.
The area included within the 4 pings is ONLY 115Km2. The bluefin already scanned more than that.

It will simply do some more scan between pings 3-4 and then go have a nap. :wink: :lol:
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:14 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Which one? ....


Ping 3 or 4

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They will look at all of them.

However, easy to presume the position of the 2 hour and 20 minute detection will be first cab off the rank.

Do you know which one that is?


That's caput. Already done 1 and 2.


No way they are kaput!

The Black Box can be anywhere around these detections and even if you calculate the area between, you will see they have barely scratched the surface.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:15 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Hmmm... I just noticed GIC's link says

narrowed to a circular area with a radius of 10km (6.2 miles) around the location from which one of four pings believed to have come from the recorders was detected on 8 April, officials said.

Which pings were detected on the 8th of April Paphitis? :wink:


They would have divided the search area to many smaller search areas.

That is only the area they are focusing on right now.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:17 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Which one? ....


Ping 3 or 4

Image


OK - it would make sense to look at the final detection area and dismiss the earlier ones given no other preference between them (clarity etc).

According to the JACC, the focused underwater search area is defined as a circle of 10 km radius around the second Towed Pinger Locator detection which occurred on April 8.


The second one detected on 8th April is presumably PING 4.

Was this signal, PING 4, actually the best one of the four, or does the search rest entirely on the fact this was the final one detected?

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/? ... n-5-7-days


All the detections are held in the same regard. The only distinguishing features are strength and how long they maintained the signal before losing it.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:20 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:The second one detected on 8th April is presumably PING 4.

Was this signal, PING 4, actually the best one of the four, * or does the search rest entirely on the fact this was the final one detected?

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/? ... n-5-7-days


I don't know GIG. I only did some work on Ping No 1. The only thing i could personally confirm out of that was that the pings were coming every 1.1 seconds.

I said pings 3 or 4 knowing they have already explored the area fro 1 & 2. After carefully reading your links I discovered I was correct.This bluefin drone is pretty fast. As we speak it's down for it's 7th mission, and already scanned 133 Km2.
The area included within the 4 pings is ONLY 115Km2. The bluefin already scanned more than that.

It will simply do some more scan between pings 3-4 and then go have a nap. :wink: :lol:


They have not explored the areas of any of the pings fully. The locations of the pings does not actually identify the position of the Black Box. They are adamant that the Black Box could be anywhere in between and even outside.

They have a long way to go before they fully explore the area.

If you draw a line between each detection and add a 2 km buffer, you will have an area of some 650 sq kms.

Also they will not go for a nap. They are looking at the long haul. A minimum area of 1100 sq kms and then they will expand the area outward. After that they may proceed along the entire Handshake Arc and potentially will still be at it for 2 to 3 years.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:54 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:It will simply do some more scan between pings 3-4 and then go have a nap. :wink: :lol:


Yeah, given all this extra time and increased activity and presence in the area, you would think that by now at least, there would be some sign or one piece of debris that would have been found to support this chosen locality. Sadly, all they can talk about now is scaling down ...
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Kikapu » Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:01 pm

Kikapu wrote:
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AP-3C Orions usually lay 36 sonobuoys in a 2 by 18 grid or 3 by 12 or 4 by 9. Nothing can slip through the net. American and Russian Subs alike are sitting ducks. Usually follow them across the globe as well. Where there is a Russian Sub, you will find an Orion in the air.


But there were known subs in the search area, were they not? They were not the subject to be found, but the MH370!


Paphitis wrote:There is no submarine in the search area!


Paphitis wrote:No Submarines are not forbidden. There is a British Sub in the area helping with the search.
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I'm sorry my friend, but according to you, there was/is a British Sub in the search area and was not being hunted down by the AP-3C Orions.

Why would it be, since they are on the same team as the Aussies!
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:02 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:It will simply do some more scan between pings 3-4 and then go have a nap. :wink: :lol:


Yeah, given all this extra time and increased activity and presence in the area, you would think that by now at least, there would be some sign or one piece of debris that would have been found to support this chosen locality. Sadly, all they can talk about now is scaling down ...


They have lost all hope if finding any debris. It is unlikely they say.

Also, if you look at the search areas, they are looking for debris still some 1000 kms to the west. This search will be abandoned in 3 days from now.

The experts are saying that any debris would have drifted much further than that.

The focus is on the seabed because even if they do find debris now, it will not provide any clues as to where the wreckage is. At the moment they are no where near exhausting all the possibilities surrounding the 4 detections. They are a long way off!
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