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[Pyrpolizer]

May I remind you that the black box story was just days ago?
May I remind you that I told you immediately after I saw the positions that everything was a joke?
Was I right or was I wrong?

Yes it took the French 2 years to find their plane because they followed the right steps.
They were not getting ridiculed everyday by presenting false evidence based on false scientific evidence!

[Pyrpolizer]

Here's a logical line of thinking for you Paphitis:
IF the plane landed somewhere you will hear about it pretty soon, surely before 4 months from today.
IF you don't hear anything about it within 4 months then the plane crashed somewhere.

And don't start again with your usual tune of "no it's impossible, they have ruled it out , the officials and the experts said no" etc etc

[GreekIslandGirl]

Pyro, it's wrong to assume that this has any similarities to AF447 on many levels regardless of the "expert" "facts" flying around. Debris was found and identified as AF447 within a day or so. The Brazilian Navy pulled out some bodies and recovered more wreckage within 5 days (check it out). But then, BEA took a long time to recover the black boxes because of the physical difficulties - but they had found the plane almost straight away because planes usually leave a track as the AIM is to be found - unlike in this case?

[Pyrpolizer]

But... it's not me who is trying to pull out similarities. It's Pahitis, who in his usual manner of jumping from one point to another said it took the French 2 years. What's this has to do with anything I don't know.
It's just his way of never been able to concentrate to the point.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Interesting summary so far ....

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Malaysia Airlines MH370: Reports Speculate that Missing Plane May Have Landed and Not Crashed
Wed, Apr 23, 2014

1. the international team probing the incident now considering the possibility that the plane may have landed rather than ended up in the Indian Ocean

2. Maritime experts have already warned that the pings detected in the ocean may not necessarily have originated from the airplane's black boxes.
Peter Herzig, Executive Director at Feomar Helmholt Centre for Oceanographic Research pointed out that the search area in the Indian Ocean is a noisy place where scores of planes and ships make rounds. Also, there is the possibility that the sounds may have come from other vessels passing in the vicinity at the time the pings were picked up.

3. Investigators are now considering other explanations to determine the fate of the missing Malaysia Airlines MH370, and have not dismissed the possibility of the plane having landed at an unknown location.
"The thought of it landing somewhere else is not impossible,

4. The possibility of the aircraft having crashed on some remote island in the ocean is also being explored.

5. Experts are puzzled over why the ELTs did not activate, and if they did, why the satellite had failed to pick up their signals.
When contacted Malaysia Airlines said it could not comment on "any questions that relate to information held by other authorities and/or fall under the jurisdiction of the ongoing investigation. ..."

6. The investigative team have also admitted that the earlier calculations derived from information provided by Inmarsat were not entirely reliable, because communication satellites cannot detect crucial details such as a plane's direction, altitude and speed.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/malaysia-airl ... ml#ZUK56DF

[Paphitis]

Pyro, it's wrong to assume that this has any similarities to AF447 on many levels regardless of the "expert" "facts" flying around. Debris was found and identified as AF447 within a day or so. The Brazilian Navy pulled out some bodies and recovered more wreckage within 5 days (check it out). But then, BEA took a long time to recover the black boxes because of the physical difficulties - but they had found the plane almost straight away because planes usually leave a track as the AIM is to be found - unlike in this case?

AF447 was much easier because they authorities were able to calculate the general area where AF447 had ditched and as a result they were able to find some debris.

By early afternoon on 1 June, officials with Air France and the French government had already presumed that the aircraft had been lost with no survivors. An Air France spokesperson told L'Express that there was "no hope for survivors",[62][63][64] and French President Nicolas Sarkozy told relatives of the passengers that there was only a minimal chance that anyone survived.[65] On 2 June at 15:20 (UTC), a Brazilian Air Force Embraer R-99A spotted wreckage and signs of oil, possibly jet fuel, strewn along a 5 km (3 mi) band 650 km (400 mi) north-east of Fernando de Noronha Island, near the Saint Peter and Saint Paul Archipelago. The sighted wreckage included an aircraft seat, an orange buoy, a barrel, and "white pieces and electrical conductors".[66][67] Later that day, after meeting with relatives of the Brazilians on the aircraft, Brazilian Defence Minister Nelson Jobim announced that the Air Force believed the wreckage was from Flight 447.[68][69] Brazilian vice-president José Alencar (acting as president since Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva was out of the country) declared three days of official mourning.[69][70]

Even with that in mind, it took them 2 years to actually find the wreckage and retrieve the black box.
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Any comparison from my part was to outline the abnormal and unusual difficulties associated with MH370 since it had diverted from its course and because Transponders, ACARS (remarkably) and ADS-B were all disabled which was not the case for AF447.

It is also to highlight the fact that due to the massive physical challenges associated with MH370, it too may take 2 years if not more. And yes, we have been told that the search for MH370 will not stop. Discussions already in process not to mention massive political influence from China towards Australia to not stop any search efforts.

On 5 June 2009, the French nuclear submarine Émeraude was dispatched to the crash zone, arriving in the area on the 10th. Its mission was to assist in the search for the missing flight recorders or "black-boxes" which might be located at great depth.[96] The submarine would use its sonar to listen for the ultrasonic signal emitted by the black boxes' "pingers",[97] covering 13 sq mi (34 km2) a day. The Émeraude was to work with the mini-sub Nautile, which can descend to the ocean floor. The French submarines would be aided by two U.S. underwater audio devices capable of picking up signals at a depth of 20,000 ft (6,100 m).[98]

Following the end of the search for bodies, the search continued for the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder, the so-called "black boxes". French Bureau d'Enquetes et d'Analyses (BEA) chief Paul-Louis Arslanian said that he was not optimistic about finding them since they might have been under as much as 3,000 m (9,800 ft) of water and the terrain under this portion of the ocean was very rugged.[99] Investigators were hoping to find the aircraft's lower aft section, since that was where the recorders were located.[100] Although France had never recovered a flight recorder from such depths,[99] there was precedent for such an operation: in 1988, an independent contractor recovered the cockpit voice recorder of South African Airways Flight 295 from a depth of 4,900 m (16,100 ft) in a search area of between 80 and 250 square nautical miles (270 and 860 km2).[101][102] The Air France flight recorders were fitted with water-activated acoustic underwater locator beacons or "pingers", which should have remained active for at least 30 days, giving searchers that much time to locate the origin of the signals.[103]

France requested two "towed pinger locator hydrophones" from the United States Navy to help find the aircraft.[71] The French nuclear submarine and two French-contracted ships (the Fairmount Expedition and the Fairmount Glacier, towing the U.S. Navy listening devices) trawled a search area with a radius of 80 kilometres (50 mi), centred on the airplane's last known position.[104][105] By mid July, recovery of the black boxes had still not been announced. The finite beacon battery life meant that, as the time since the crash elapsed, the likelihood of location diminished.[106] In late July, the search for the black boxes entered its second phase, with a French research vessel resuming the search using a towed sonar array.[107] The second phase of the search ended on 20 August without finding wreckage within a 75 km (47 mi) radius of the last position, as reported at 02:10.[108]

The third phase of the search for the recorders lasted from 2 April until 24 May 2010,[109][110][111] and was conducted by two ships, the Anne Candies and the Seabed Worker. The Anne Candies towed a U.S. Navy sonar array, while the Seabed Worker operated three robot submarines AUV ABYSS (a REMUS AUV type).[109][112][113][114] Air France and Airbus jointly funded the third phase of the search.[115][116] The search covered an area of 6,300 square kilometres (2,400 sq mi), mostly to the north and north-west of the aircraft's last known position.[109][113][117] The search area had been drawn up by oceanographers from France, Russia, Britain and the United States combining data on the location of floating bodies and wreckage, and currents in the mid-Atlantic in the days immediately after the crash.[118][118][119] A smaller area to the south-west was also searched, based on a re-analysis of sonar recordings made by Émeraude the previous year.[120][121] The third phase of the search ended on 24 May 2010 without any success, though the BEA says that the search 'nearly' covered the whole area drawn up by investigators.[122]

[Paphitis]

May I remind you that the black box story was just days ago?
May I remind you that I told you immediately after I saw the positions that everything was a joke?
Was I right or was I wrong?

Yes it took the French 2 years to find their plane because they followed the right steps.
They were not getting ridiculed everyday by presenting false evidence based on false scientific evidence!

You are NOT in any way qualified to deem anything associated with MH370 as a joke!

Therefore, I said it a hundred times already and I will say it again! Yes you are WRONG and have never been right at any point.

No one has ridiculed anything.There are many countries involved and this search could take years. they have said this from the very beginning.

[Paphitis]

Here's a logical line of thinking for you Paphitis:
IF the plane landed somewhere you will hear about it pretty soon, surely before 4 months from today.
IF you don't hear anything about it within 4 months then the plane crashed somewhere.

And don't start again with your usual tune of "no it's impossible, they have ruled it out , the officials and the experts said no" etc etc

If the plane went anywhere else, it would have been found in 4 days if not 4 hours let alone 4 months.

There is not a single track that MH370 could have flown in a northerly, easterly or straight westerly direction which would not have resulted in it being tracked by Primary Radar in China, Vietnam, Thailand, India, or Pakistan. It would have been shot down for sure and the wreckage would be found instantly!

I challenge you to find me just 1 single route!

[Paphitis]

Interesting summary so far ....

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Malaysia Airlines MH370: Reports Speculate that Missing Plane May Have Landed and Not Crashed
Wed, Apr 23, 2014

1. the international team probing the incident now considering the possibility that the plane may have landed rather than ended up in the Indian Ocean

Not the case!

2. Maritime experts have already warned that the pings detected in the ocean may not necessarily have originated from the airplane's black boxes.
Peter Herzig, Executive Director at Feomar Helmholt Centre for Oceanographic Research pointed out that the search area in the Indian Ocean is a noisy place where scores of planes and ships make rounds. Also, there is the possibility that the sounds may have come from other vessels passing in the vicinity at the time the pings were picked up.

Yes well I monitored this during the time and there were no Ships within about 1000kms of where the pings were detected. Only 2 Ships were in the area - ADV Ocean Shield and HMAS Echo.

3. Investigators are now considering other explanations to determine the fate of the missing Malaysia Airlines MH370, and have not dismissed the possibility of the plane having landed at an unknown location.
"The thought of it landing somewhere else is not impossible,

No not impossible but not at all probable compared to all the other scenarios on the table.

4. The possibility of the aircraft having crashed on some remote island in the ocean is also being explored.

What about the ELT's? They would have gone off and the signal would have been tracked by SARSAT!

5. Experts are puzzled over why the ELTs did not activate, and if they did, why the satellite had failed to pick up their signals.
When contacted Malaysia Airlines said it could not comment on "any questions that relate to information held by other authorities and/or fall under the jurisdiction of the ongoing investigation. ..."

Now that is certainly not possible! Which is why the experts are not seriously pursuing this!

6. The investigative team have also admitted that the earlier calculations derived from information provided by Inmarsat were not entirely reliable, because communication satellites cannot detect crucial details such as a plane's direction, altitude and speed.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/malaysia-airl ... ml#ZUK56DF

Now there is the problem with following silly news outlets that have no idea what they are saying and are coming up with things as if they are the experts.

FACT1: the IIT has never made such statements at any point!

FACT2: Inmarsat stated from the beginning there was no way they could determine Aircraft Speed or Altitude.

FACT3: the IIT never stated at any point that they knew the aircraft's speed or altitude.

That is where Aircraft Performance Analysts come in. They work out a number of scenarios where the aircraft could have got to based on various configurations, altitudes and speeds. Some of those scenarios would have involved Fuel Starvation and Flame Outs.

Inmarsat can only provide a general direction and most probable impact area based on the Doppler Effect Analysis they did, and that placed the aircraft in the Indian Ocean.

It is not entirely reliable but reliable enough to do that!

[Paphitis]

Show me the scientific evidence that the plane crashed.
Show me the scientific evidence that the plane ended up in the Indian Ocean.

There is no such evidence let aside scientific one.
The inmarsat calculations are not exact science. And not only that the calculations themselves are questionable.

BTW! The Malaysian Department of Civil Aviation will release a preliminary report into the disappearance of MH370 next week.

Now this is surely to include all the information and known facts, including the Inmarsat data.

“It’s a bizarre scenario, which none of us could have contemplated so that’s why when I met the team...(of) foremost experts in aviation industry. I asked them again and again are you sure?”

“And their answer to me was we are as sure as we can possibly be,” Mr Najib told CNN.

Asked if he was prepared to say the plane and its passengers were lost, Mr Najib said: “On the balance of the evidence, it would be hard to imagine otherwise."

Now what?