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Re: the letter...

Postby Get Real! » Fri May 16, 2014 10:00 am

Sotos wrote:...Somebody who was raised abroad and never acquired any of the actual identities of Cyprus.

See how easy it is to “acquire” it? :wink:

Just take 12 years of Greece-sponsored schooling in Cyprus!

And here was everyone thinking that they “inherited” it through hellenic blood lines! :lol:

This argument is over!

For further reading please see INDOCTRINATION.

Indoctrination is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology (see doctrine). It is often distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned.[2] As such the term may be used pejoratively, often in the context of education, political opinions, theology or religious dogma. The term is closely linked to socialization; in common discourse, indoctrination is often associated with negative connotations, while socialization refers to cultural or educational learning.


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Postby Sotos » Fri May 16, 2014 10:30 am

So during Ottoman rule there was Greek sponsored schooling? :roll: And why would non Greeks want to take Greek schooling? Our schooling is Greek because we are Greek. When you were raised abroad it is not the schooling who made you non Greek. It is that you were growing up in a foreign society, with foreign language, foreign religion and foreign culture.
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Re: the letter...

Postby Flying Horse » Fri May 16, 2014 12:14 pm

From Sparta and beyond.

If you've generations of family rooted for hundreds of years in Cyprus, it doesn't matter where you were born.
You are still brought up with Cypriot ways by your parents even if you are born in the UK.

Some choose to ditch the Cyprus connection and prefer the British way, then there are those who just yearn to be home....because even though they have spent 40 years here, they'd rather be where they belong.

Imo, they are no lesser Cypriot than the ones who are lucky to be still living there.
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Re: the letter...

Postby erolz66 » Fri May 16, 2014 12:52 pm

Sotos wrote: That explains how you could supposedly drop your Turkish identity so easily ... because you never had this identity to begin with.


Exactly - I have no Turkish identity I just have a Cypriot one. It is YOU and that forces a Turkish identity on me.

Sotos wrote: I am a real Cypriot. You personally are for the most part a foreigner... not a real TC! You are the last person on earth who can tell to somebody like me to "fuck off" from my own island!


Here we see you real commitment to a 'unitary Cyprus', equality and legality. I am already Cypriot under all definitions of law, but you have a 'first right' to tell me to fuck off from my own Island where as I have no such right to respond in kind to you. We can have a unitary Cyprus with equality in law but none the less in your mind you will always be the 'real Cypriot' and me not.

Sotos wrote: Yes it worked. But have you seen the size, population and vast resources of America. The colonists ... who btw are not native Americans... took all that for themselves. It suited them perfectly ... they had the power to have their freedom and also keep all those lands and resources just for themselves. Now compare that with Cyprus.


So you admit your claim that you can not simply chose your identity is in fact BS then ?
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Re: the letter...

Postby erolz66 » Fri May 16, 2014 12:56 pm

Flying Horse wrote: Imo, they are no lesser Cypriot than the ones who are lucky to be still living there.


No but in the hearts and minds of the likes of Sotos he will always be a 'greater' Cypriot and I a 'lesser one' even whilst he advocates handing of Cyprus over to a foreign power and I do not.
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Re: the letter...

Postby Flying Horse » Fri May 16, 2014 1:27 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Flying Horse wrote: Imo, they are no lesser Cypriot than the ones who are lucky to be still living there.


No but in the hearts and minds of the likes of Sotos he will always be a 'greater' Cypriot and I a 'lesser one' even whilst he advocates handing of Cyprus over to a foreign power and I do not.



This is one thing I cannot understand within the pages of this forum.

In my possession I have a rare book, written and printed, no doubt to preserve and document the inhabitants of a village before 1974.
Each and every member of all families from somewhere in the 1800s to when the book was written, is documented within its pages.

My partner is documented. In this book, he is Cypriot. Not British. He wasn't born in the village or Cyprus. He is no lesser Cypriot than the people who are written on those pages and stay in Cyprus.

To me, if you are from a long line of Cypriots, there is no 'lesser' and no 'greater'. If there was no 1950s, 1960s or 1974...... You wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Re: the letter...

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri May 16, 2014 7:51 pm

...they chose America, not German, against the English; to be more precise.

Why not ? The American patriots chose to be American and not English. Seemed to have worked for them.
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Re: the letter...

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri May 16, 2014 8:42 pm

erolz66 wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote: wow, i was waiting for erolz's reply, but i guess i just got it, what is yours, sotos; Cypriot before Greek?


No RW you misunderstand. Not Cypriot before Turkish but Cypriot INSTEAD of Turkish. I actually trust GR, who renounces any Greekness in favour of just Cypriot. You I do not trust for whilst you talk about Cypriot before Turk / Greek, you also constantly support classic GC propaganda versions of history, ignore excesses of the extremist GC here whilst haranguing the TC here. In short you talk of Cypriot ahead of Greek but you do not ACT in a manner consistent with such talk. Just Cypriot and only Cypriot with GR, yeah I could go for that. Unitary Cyprus with you, with all your talk of 'constituencies' and Cypriot flags higher than Greek and Turkish ones, whilst you actually act like GC no different in essence from Sotos and B25 ? No sorry does not get my vote.


...who can disagree with what GR is saying, it is simple and elegant, natural; but i suggest that as Cypriots, to achieve this State, it requires from Greek Cypriots an expression of their needs as Greeks, in a manner where Cypriots not Greek have an equal opportunity to the same form of self-representation should numbers warrant and they so choose, as Persons. otherwise, as Individuals it becomes a state where the only stability is a disinheritance with the past that is complete, what living relics we do have will die more slowly, but they are as sure as the decimation we have seen in the north; for a mono-clonal society, but Cypriot so to speak, ironically no different, Imperialistically speaking to what it replaces (but the same as most European Countries).

today the streets are filled (the vast majority) with their Language, and at the advent of the Information Age, they are generally able as an urban population, beside this mother-tongue, communicating in English, and in many other languages. i suggest that in GR's Cyprus, if you will, Greek, like Turkish, will be endangered, soon enough, in terms of economics, there is one Lingua Franca most useful to our children, toward making livings, that which in 90% of the world's communications is used; other Languages will be taught as second languages. in my Cyprus, at least, someone who prefers a simple life in the village, so to speak, can at least rest assured that for the service they get, the institutions are constructed for them, those that are likely to ask the least from government in their daily lives, there is someone who can speak to them in their language, respectfully. respectfully, erolz, you may choose, and i may choose, GR may choose, sotos may choose, to live lives where we communicate in, dare i say it, English. what with the desire to enjoy the distinctions of a National Identity i prefer to recognise that out of many, as one, we defend them all.
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Re: the letter...

Postby Get Real! » Sat May 17, 2014 12:28 am

At least Sotos has admitted that he is “ethnically Greek” not through blood lines or anything else hereditary, but through indoctrination and propaganda! :lol:

Yet he quite happily goes along with the bullshit… not a care in the world! :?
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Re: the letter...

Postby Sotos » Sat May 17, 2014 6:07 am

Get Real! wrote:At least Sotos has admitted that he is “ethnically Greek” not through blood lines or anything else hereditary, but through indoctrination and propaganda! :lol:

Yet he quite happily goes along with the bullshit… not a care in the world! :?


If ethnicity was hereditary through blood lines then you would be Greek too. It would also mean that to claim to be a direct decedent of the Chirokitians at the very least you would have to be a midget. Ethnicity is part of our identity and culture and we maintained our Greek ethnicity even when under foreign rule for many 100s of years. The Greeks did came to Cyprus many 1000s years ago and this is historical fact supported by archaeology and history and the fact that we speak Greek for many 1000s of years. The bullshit is what you made up. According to you because Cyprus was declared a country 50 years ago that automatically created a "Cypriot ethnicity" ... but of course you are wrong and even the constitution of the country contradicts you.
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