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[Paphitis]

You may disagree all you like. Now would you care provide me the numbers of children given for adoption to gay couples and the number of children given for adoption to Lesbian couples in AUSTRALIA from year 2010 (the year that your law allowed these couples to apply for such adoptions) to date?

I can give you numbers of how many children were living in same sex families as of 2011 in Australia.

The 2011 Census counted 6,300 children living in same-sex couple families, up from 3,400 in 2001.

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected] ... 3#children

Nor is it accurate to say that it has only been possible for same sex couple to legally adopt in Australia since 2010, In some states it has been possible since 2002, in some states it is still not possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_adopt ... te_note-20

It's illegal in 2 States BUT, that is open to Federal Courts legal challenge and the Federal Court has the power to overturn State Legislation should a same sex couple file a case.

Furthermore, out of the 6300 children being raised by same sex couples, you would be hard pressed to find many issues. Fact is, the majority of these couples would make better parents then so many "normal" heterosexual couples. Some of these kids would have been abused too, so I am more than happy if they are being raised by good people regardless of their sexuality provided they are vetted and screened by the authorities and deemed OK.

Thanks for doing the hard work. Some people just need to get with it and move on from the Victorian Era!

[Pyrpolizer]

You may disagree all you like. Now would you care provide me the numbers of children given for adoption to gay couples and the number of children given for adoption to Lesbian couples in AUSTRALIA from year 2010 (the year that your law allowed these couples to apply for such adoptions) to date?

I can give you numbers of how many children were living in same sex families as of 2011 in Australia.

The 2011 Census counted 6,300 children living in same-sex couple families, up from 3,400 in 2001.

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected] ... 3#children

Nor is it accurate to say that it has only been possible for same sex couple to legally adopt in Australia since 2010, In some states it has been possible since 2002, in some states it is still not possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_adopt ... te_note-20

It's illegal in 2 States BUT, that is open to Federal Courts legal challenge and the Federal Court has the power to overturn State Legislation should a same sex couple file a case.

Furthermore, out of the 6300 children being raised by same sex couples, you would be hard pressed to find many issues. Fact is, the majority of these couples would make better parents then so many "normal" heterosexual couples. Some of these kids would have been abused too, so I am more than happy if they are being raised by good people regardless of their sexuality provided they are vetted and screened by the authorities and deemed OK.

Thanks for doing the hard work. Some people just need to get with it and move on from the Victorian Era!

As usual you are totally unable to concentrate to the issue. The issue here is whether same sex couples should be allowed to adopt children.
I imply you that NONE of those 6300 children were adopted, in fact i am almost certain your numbers refer to what I said before mostly raised by Lesbian (physical mothers) who divorced and chose to live thereafter with a female partner.

[Pyrpolizer]

You may disagree all you like. Now would you care provide me the numbers of children given for adoption to gay couples and the number of children given for adoption to Lesbian couples in AUSTRALIA from year 2010 (the year that your law allowed these couples to apply for such adoptions) to date?

I can give you numbers of how many children were living in same sex families as of 2011 in Australia.

The 2011 Census counted 6,300 children living in same-sex couple families, up from 3,400 in 2001.

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected] ... 3#children

Nor is it accurate to say that it has only been possible for same sex couple to legally adopt in Australia since 2010, In some states it has been possible since 2002, in some states it is still not possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_adopt ... te_note-20

This is NOT what I asked, and furthermore this is NOT the issue!

[erolz66]

This is NOT what I asked, and furthermore this is NOT the issue!

Surely the issue is are children who are raised by same sex parents, disadvantaged or not by being raised by such parents vs those brought up by different sex parents ?

[Pyrpolizer]

This is NOT what I asked, and furthermore this is NOT the issue!

Surely the issue is are children who are raised by same sex parents, disadvantaged or not by being raised by such parents vs those brought up by different sex parents ?

No. The issue is and was whether same sex couples, who presumably had gone through the process of forming a social union, should also be allowed to adopt children. And whether THOSE children would be better or worse off compared to those adopted by heterosexual families.
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Aren't you following your OWN topic Erolz?

NB. i hope you will not get angry against with me by using 150 pt bold letters like you got with BillC Elolz....

[Paphitis]

You may disagree all you like. Now would you care provide me the numbers of children given for adoption to gay couples and the number of children given for adoption to Lesbian couples in AUSTRALIA from year 2010 (the year that your law allowed these couples to apply for such adoptions) to date?

I can give you numbers of how many children were living in same sex families as of 2011 in Australia.

The 2011 Census counted 6,300 children living in same-sex couple families, up from 3,400 in 2001.

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected] ... 3#children

Nor is it accurate to say that it has only been possible for same sex couple to legally adopt in Australia since 2010, In some states it has been possible since 2002, in some states it is still not possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_adopt ... te_note-20

It's illegal in 2 States BUT, that is open to Federal Courts legal challenge and the Federal Court has the power to overturn State Legislation should a same sex couple file a case.

Furthermore, out of the 6300 children being raised by same sex couples, you would be hard pressed to find many issues. Fact is, the majority of these couples would make better parents then so many "normal" heterosexual couples. Some of these kids would have been abused too, so I am more than happy if they are being raised by good people regardless of their sexuality provided they are vetted and screened by the authorities and deemed OK.

Thanks for doing the hard work. Some people just need to get with it and move on from the Victorian Era!

As usual you are totally unable to concentrate to the issue. The issue here is whether same sex couples should be allowed to adopt children.
I imply you that NONE of those 6300 children were adopted, in fact i am almost certain your numbers refer to what I said before mostly raised by Lesbian (physical mothers) who divorced and chose to live thereafter with a female partner.

Really sorry but it is you who can't focus.

It was already proven to you that same sex adoption is LEGAL in most states in Australia. As a result, there ARE children who have been adopted and are being raised by same sex couples.

Dimwit!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_ado ... _Australia

[erolz66]

What are you talking about Erolz??
Absolutely not, I am not getting my information from them.

I am sorry Pyrpolizer but you posted a link to the Family Reaserch council 'report'. You posted their findings verbatim, some in bold large text and then you claim that the FRC is NOT the source of your information ?

What I object and for valid reasons is the right of those people to adopt children.
There has been absolutely no credible survey proving that those people do fit for that purpose.

The claim that previous surveys on this issue, that have shown that children brought up in same sex families are not disadvantaged by such an upbringing are all 'false' is again a claim contained in the very FRC report you posted and now say is not a source for you information. It could equally be claimed there has been absolutely no credible survey proving that those people are not fit for that purpose.

In fact all surveys done so far were by homosexually oriented researches for their own group benefit.
They got tiny samples most of them refer to lesbians raising their OWN children within their original heterosexual family, a tiny portion refers to lesbians raising their own children after getting divorced and living with another female partner. The very same surveys with still tiny samples get their conclusions from the equally tiny number of gay men raising their OWN children within their original heterosexual family, whereas there was not even one case in their so called surveys of gay men raising adopted children.

These surveys are only good for the garbage bin!

And what is your source evidence for such claims above if not the FRC report you now claim is not the source of your information ?

There is not even ONE interview of an adult who was adopted and raised by gay men.
Does that tell you something?

No not really.

If not just imagine what you would be today if you were adopted and raised by 2 gay men. 2 fathers i.e. Hmm... a total lunatic?

I prefer to imagine how the likes of B25 and kurupertos might be different today had they been raised by loving parents who happened to be same sex, male or female. I find it hard to imagine in such a scenario they would not be 'better' people than they appear to be from their posting here.

[Pyrpolizer]

You may disagree all you like. Now would you care provide me the numbers of children given for adoption to gay couples and the number of children given for adoption to Lesbian couples in AUSTRALIA from year 2010 (the year that your law allowed these couples to apply for such adoptions) to date?

I can give you numbers of how many children were living in same sex families as of 2011 in Australia.

The 2011 Census counted 6,300 children living in same-sex couple families, up from 3,400 in 2001.

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected] ... 3#children

Nor is it accurate to say that it has only been possible for same sex couple to legally adopt in Australia since 2010, In some states it has been possible since 2002, in some states it is still not possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_adopt ... te_note-20

It's illegal in 2 States BUT, that is open to Federal Courts legal challenge and the Federal Court has the power to overturn State Legislation should a same sex couple file a case.

Furthermore, out of the 6300 children being raised by same sex couples, you would be hard pressed to find many issues. Fact is, the majority of these couples would make better parents then so many "normal" heterosexual couples. Some of these kids would have been abused too, so I am more than happy if they are being raised by good people regardless of their sexuality provided they are vetted and screened by the authorities and deemed OK.

Thanks for doing the hard work. Some people just need to get with it and move on from the Victorian Era!

As usual you are totally unable to concentrate to the issue. The issue here is whether same sex couples should be allowed to adopt children.
I imply you that NONE of those 6300 children were adopted, in fact i am almost certain your numbers refer to what I said before mostly raised by Lesbian (physical mothers) who divorced and chose to live thereafter with a female partner.

Really sorry but it is you who can't focus.

It was already proven to you that same sex adoption is LEGAL in most states in Australia. As a result, there ARE children who have been adopted and are being raised by same sex couples.

Dimwit!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_ado ... _Australia

Nice nice.Excellent statistics excellent conclusions from ONLY ONE case where the adopted children have not yet even reached adulthood.

Australia's first legal gay adoption, by two men, occurred in Western Australia in June 2007

where are the rest of your 6299 cases paf

[erolz66]

where are the rest of your 6299 cases paf

I am struggling to understand your logic here. The question is should same sex couples (or male same sex couples) be allowed to adopt. Your argument seems to be unless you can show statistical evidence that children adopted by same sex couples have not been adversely affected by such, same sex couples should not be able to adopt. Can you not see the 'flaw' in such an argument ?

[Pyrpolizer]

What are you talking about Erolz??
Absolutely not, I am not getting my information from them.

I am sorry Pyrpolizer but you posted a link to the Family Reaserch council 'report'. You posted their findings verbatim, some in bold large text and then you claim that the FRC is NOT the source of your information ?

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What I object and for valid reasons is the right of those people to adopt children.
There has been absolutely no credible survey proving that those people do fit for that purpose.

The claim that previous surveys on this issue, that have shown that children brought up in same sex families are not disadvantaged by such an upbringing are all 'false' is again a claim contained in the very FRC report you posted and now say is not a source for you information. It could equally be claimed there has been absolutely no credible survey proving that those people are not fit for that purpose.


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In fact all surveys done so far were by homosexually oriented researches for their own group benefit.
They got tiny samples most of them refer to lesbians raising their OWN children within their original heterosexual family, a tiny portion refers to lesbians raising their own children after getting divorced and living with another female partner. The very same surveys with still tiny samples get their conclusions from the equally tiny number of gay men raising their OWN children within their original heterosexual family, whereas there was not even one case in their so called surveys of gay men raising adopted children.

These surveys are only good for the garbage bin!

And what is your source evidence for such claims above if not the FRC report you now claim is not the source of your information ?

There is not even ONE interview of an adult who was adopted and raised by gay men.
Does that tell you something?

No not really.

If not just imagine what you would be today if you were adopted and raised by 2 gay men. 2 fathers i.e. Hmm... a total lunatic?

I prefer to imagine how the likes of B25 and kurupertos might be different today had they been raised by loving parents who happened to be same sex, male or female. I find it hard to imagine in such a scenario they would not be 'better' people than they appear to be from their posting here.

1--> The reasearch was done by some independent academic. I posted the link to the most detailed presentation of the survey I could find. If it would make you feel better I could at the same time post the link to a CBS report concerning the very same survey. Would that mean I get my information from CBS? (I did find the same survey in CBS btw and I could search for the link if you are interested).
The Survey itself was funded by Witherspoon Institute and the Bradley Foundation

2--> The fact is there has been absolutely no survey to date that would answer the very basic issue. Whether same sex couples who had joined together in a civil union should get the right to adopt children, and that would not affect NEGATIVELY those children's future/adult lives.