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[Pyrpolizer]

where are the rest of your 6299 cases paf

I am struggling to understand your logic here. The question is should same sex couples (or male same sex couples) be allowed to adopt. Your argument seems to be unless you can show statistical evidence that children adopted by same sex couples have not been adversely affected by such, same sex couples should not be able to adopt. Can you not see the 'flaw' in such an argument ?

There is no flaw. You cannot experiment on people. More so you cannot experiment on children.
And thank God there have not yet been such extensive number of experiments that would allow for statistics to prove the obvious CRIME done to those children.
You are a supporter of nature and evolution, use your logic as to why nature through millions of years of evolution does not provide for hermaphrodite production of children by gays or lesbians. I mean if nature wanted them to have children it should at least provide of ONE such incident among millions if not billions of lesbians and gays over the years.
I already posted more points concerning the logic of why gay or lesbian couples should not be allowed to adopt children based on already existing psychological research of how children form character and behavior by having 2 PROTOTYPES father and mother.
By process of exclusion you can safely conclude that when one of the two prototypes is missing you will get negative results.

[Paphitis]

Nice nice.Excellent statistics excellent conclusions from ONLY ONE case where the adopted children have not yet even reached adulthood.

Australia's first legal gay adoption, by two men, occurred in Western Australia in June 2007

where are the rest of your 6299 cases paf

You're such an idiot.

They are just statistics and as I told you before, I do not know how many children are being raised by same sex couples. All I know is that it is legal and as a result there would be at a guess some hundreds that are.

You however are claiming that same sex couples are unfit to be adoptive parents. That is not the case but YOU are unfit to own a computer so I suggest you hand it back to the person you bought it from and make a vowel to not own one again because you are too friggin stupid!

[Pyrpolizer]

Nice nice.Excellent statistics excellent conclusions from ONLY ONE case where the adopted children have not yet even reached adulthood.

Australia's first legal gay adoption, by two men, occurred in Western Australia in June 2007

where are the rest of your 6299 cases paf

You're such an idiot.

They are just statistics and as I told you before, I do not know how many children are being raised by same sex couples. All I know is that it is legal and as a result there would be at a guess some hundreds that are.

You however are claiming that same sex couples are unfit to be adoptive parents. That is not the case but YOU are unfit to own a computer so I suggest you hand it back to the person you bought it from and make a vowel to not own one again because you are too friggin stupid!

Said the ape type humanoid

[Paphitis]

Nice nice.Excellent statistics excellent conclusions from ONLY ONE case where the adopted children have not yet even reached adulthood.

Australia's first legal gay adoption, by two men, occurred in Western Australia in June 2007

where are the rest of your 6299 cases paf

You're such an idiot.

They are just statistics and as I told you before, I do not know how many children are being raised by same sex couples. All I know is that it is legal and as a result there would be at a guess some hundreds that are.

You however are claiming that same sex couples are unfit to be adoptive parents. That is not the case but YOU are unfit to own a computer so I suggest you hand it back to the person you bought it from and make a vowel to not own one again because you are too friggin stupid!

Said the ape type humanoid

Sorry but you have done it many times. People have given you information from official sources including official legislation and yet it still doesn't sink in with you. Furthermore you make sweeping unfounded comments about same sex couples all being unfit to raise a family.

Who the hell are you to be making such a sweeping statement. In Australia, a Federal Minister was a Lesbian and she with her partner are parents! Who the hell are you to say she is unfit?

[Pyrpolizer]

Sorry but you have done it many times. People have given you information from official sources including official legislation and yet it still doesn't sink in with you. Furthermore you make sweeping unfounded comments about same sex couples all being unfit to raise a family.

Who the hell are you to be making such a sweeping statement. In Australia, a Federal Minister was a Lesbian and she with her partner are parents! Who the hell are you to say she is unfit?

First of all official legislation applied to some parts of your country and not applied to others does not concern me or any other country for that effect, and does not prove anything other than an effort to bridge the gap concerning the legal rights of "married" gay/lesbians.

However those making your laws were not stupid. They very carefully set it and limited it to the right of same sex couples to JUST apply for adoption.

Therefore your assumption that because of the so many years that have passed surely there must have been hundreds of adoptions by same sex parents is blatantly factually wrong because in your country (which I repeat does not concern MY COUNTRY or any other Country)

a)From 2007 to date there has been only one case where gay men achieved an adoption
b) Your law is there for legal and not practical purposes.
c) Your country forbits even the assessments of applications for adoptions by same sex people unless the physical parents consent to it.
d) None of the countries from which your country imports adopted children has ever accepted your countries "law" and so called "right" of same sex parents to adopt children hence you cannot import children for adoption in this respect
e) Same sex parents in your country can only apply for the very small number of local children from UNKNOWN parents placed for adoption.

And of course they just apply…

NB. As for your Minister being a Lesbian and a parent just ask yourself how relevant that is ti the issue of the rights of same sex couples to ADOPT children .

[Paphitis]

Just over one in ten same-sex couples had children (of any age including adults) living with them in their family (12%). It was much more common for female than male same-sex couples to have children living in the family (22% compared with 3%). Children in same-sex couples may come from a previous opposite-sex relationship of one of the partners or may have been conceived (often with assisted reproductive technology), adopted or fostered in a same-sex relationship. (Endnote 7)

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected] ... 52012-2013

Read it and weep arsehole.

This debate is raging all over the world. Many countries allow same sex adoptions just like Australia does. Most of the US, UK, France, Canada just to name a few.

In fact many countries have even more liberal laws. The UK, US, Canada, France for example plus more.

Globally, there are thousands of same sex families in many countries and some kids are adopted. There have been minimal problems compared to all the unfit Hetero households that some kids have had the misfortune to be a part of.

So on e again, who do you think you are to be making sweeping statements that same sex couples are unfit?

Είσαι του μεσαίωνα!

[Pyrpolizer]

Just over one in ten same-sex couples had children (of any age including adults) living with them in their family (12%). It was much more common for female than male same-sex couples to have children living in the family (22% compared with 3%). Children in same-sex couples may come from a previous opposite-sex relationship of one of the partners or may have been conceived (often with assisted reproductive technology), adopted or fostered in a same-sex relationship. (Endnote 7)

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected] ... 52012-2013

Read it and weep arsehole.

This debate is raging all over the world. Many countries allow same sex adoptions just like Australia does. Most of the US, UK, France, Canada just to name a few.

In fact many countries have even more liberal laws. The UK, US, Canada, France for example plus more.

Globally, there are thousands of same sex families in many countries and some kids are adopted. There have been minimal problems compared to all the unfit Hetero households that some kids have had the misfortune to be a part of.

So on e again, who do you think you are to be making sweeping statements that same sex couples are unfit?

Είσαι του μεσαίωνα!

You stay up on your tree.

[Paphitis]

There are 14 countries which allow same sex couples to adopt and gain legal guardianship to the age of 18!

UK

http://www.pinkparents.org.uk/same-sex- ... he-uk.html

USA

http://adoption.state.gov/adoption_proc ... t/glbt.php

A rundown of same sex adoption laws around the world:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_adoption

[Pyrpolizer]

Stop crying. You have been approved Go live with them.

[erolz66]

1--> The reasearch was done by some independent academic.

This research was done by some 'independent academic'. However his own university department has sought to distance themselves from this 'report' and the American Sociology Association has said of his report "the conclusions he draws from his study of gay parenting are fundamentally flawed on conceptual and methodological grounds and that findings from Dr. Regnerus’ work have been cited inappropriately in efforts to diminish the civil rights and legitimacy of LBGTQ partners and their families."

http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/sociology/news/7572

and the link to The American Sociological Association submission to US supreme court on this issue (pdf)

http://www.asanet.org/documents/ASA/pdf ... rriage.pdf

The American Sociological Association (“ASA”) is the national professional and scholarly association of sociologists in the United States. Founded in 1905, the ASA has more than 14,000 members, including most sociologists holding doctoral degrees from accredited universities. The ASA publishes nine leading peer reviewed journals. The ASA is committed to and bound by the highest standards of research methodology and objectivity and is dedicated to advancing sociology as a scientific discipline and profession that serves the public good.
The ASA has a long history of presenting the consensus research findings of social scientists to American courts for their use in evaluating evidence and legal issues, and its conclusions are regularly relied on by courts. As part of that mission, the ASA submits this brief to present to the Court the consensus view of social scientists on certain issues raised in these cases—namely, the effects of same-sex parenting on the wellbeing of children.

However, the claim that same-sex parents produce less positive child outcomes than opposite-sex parents—either because such families lack both a male and female parent or because both parents are not the biological parents of their children—contradicts abundant social science research. Decades of methodologically sound social science research, especially multiple nationally representative studies and the expert evidence introduced in the district courts below, confirm that positive child wellbeing is the product of stability in the relationship between the two parents, stability in the relationship between the parents and child, and greater parental socioeconomic resources. Whether a child is raised by same-sex or opposite-sex parents has no bearing on a child’s wellbeing.
The clear and consistent consensus in the social science profession is that across a wide range of indicators, children fare just as well when they are raised by same-sex parents when compared to children raised by opposite-sex parents.

SCHOLARLY CONSENSUS IS CLEAR: CHILDREN OF SAME-SEX PARENTS FARE JUST AS WELL AS CHILDREN OF OPPOSITE-SEX PARENTS

I posted the link to the most detailed presentation of the survey I could find.

Actually you posted a link to the most extreme of organisations (FRC) who in turn were citing a report by the most extreme of academics working in this fields, who's work is described by his own professional body as 'fundamentally flawed'.

I understand Pyrpolizer that your BELIEF is that same sex parents should not be allowed to adopt. You are entitled to such a belief. However to make out that 'scientific evidence' supports the view that children brought up by same sex parents suffer adversely by such an upbringing is just not factually correct. We have a single academic, who apparently admitted in court* that only two of the subjects in his study were raised from birth by committed same-sex couples and both had positive outcomes, and who's own professional body says his work is 'flawed' who says being brought up by same sex parents is damaging to children. Then on the other hand we have the consensus opinion of same professional body, representing over 14,000 professionals who say otherwise. These are the facts.

*http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/03/04/3357631/regnerus-department-flawed/