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Re: Turkey's Military Command Wants Varosha!

Postby bill cobbett » Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:18 pm

MrH wrote:Ha, yes!

by bill cobbett » Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:03 pm

Flying Horse wrote:
MrH wrote:

Statement taken from Turkey's latest MGK (The National Security Council) meeting in Ankara - 13th of June 2014

MrH, must have a crystal ball, it's only the 2nd of June today

Errr... MrH... you have a bit of explaining to do.


It was on the 13th May 2014.......These handheld devices are rubbish. :D


Aha... shoddy workmen blaming their tools... :D
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Re: Turkey's Military Command Wants Varosha!

Postby DT. » Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:43 am

MrH wrote:Turkey's military Gen Force's Commander is to use the Varosha in a completely new directive as a Military base should a Cyprus solution not be found before Jan 2015. Although this has been in the pipeline for some time, it's the first time that such a high ranking Turkish Commander under the AKP has openly said the following:

"As most of the Varosha (Maras) in the TRNC originally belongs to the Vakiflar and that all attempts in offering this area as a good will gesture as part of a Comprehensive agreement since the high level agreements in the late 1970s has failed, we are in the process of initiating a feasible study into converting this entire area as an extension of Turkey's eastern Naval and land force's assets in light of the recent developments and security concerns surrounding the latest Gas find around the island. In line with the cease-fire agreement and a lack of movement in the direction of finding such an amicable Comprehensive settle to the Cyprus Problem, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus's integration and partnering with the Republic of Turkey at an international level will officially commence from January 2015".

Statement taken from Turkey's latest MGK (The National Security Council) meeting in Ankara - 13th of June 2014


Well. Jan 2015 is here. Let's go!
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Re: Turkey's Military Command Wants Varosha!

Postby Get Real! » Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:16 am

MrH wrote:Although this has been in the pipeline for some time...

Must be in the same pipeline as the water... :?
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Re: Turkey's Military Command Wants Varosha!

Postby MrH » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:00 pm

Postby Get Real! » Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:16 am

MrH wrote:Although this has been in the pipeline for some time...


Must be in the same pipeline as the water... :?


Nice to see you here still Get Real. In a funny sort of Compatriot way, I was beginning to miss our conversations! As for the above, clearly you haven't heard the latest regarding the "Maras/Varosha", hence the recent reports in the LGCNEWS and etc. Turkey and the TRNC are now on full pursuit in opening the Varosha, particularly for EMU, East Med University residents and to had over the buildings (only) to their original builders (whether Greek, foreign or Turkish). However, the twist is that it will be under FULL TRNC Control. If this is rejected, which is obvious, then the VAKIF case will take lead and the Turkish military will lay its historical "Ottoman" claim to the "Land" the hotels occupy.
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Re: Turkey's Military Command Wants Varosha!

Postby Nikitas » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:32 pm

Going back to the vakif, we call it evkaf, opens a can of worms regarding titles. It is just as easy to refer to 1570 as a starting point and claim that under venetian rule things were different. Which is why we jointly decided to respect titles officialised by the British and the land registry they set up.

And tell us how the TRNC will control a population of 40 000 GCs returning to Famagusta. IF the basis of the TC claims in Cyprus is self determination of 100 000 people how do they prevent 40 000 from setting up their own municipality and other expressions of self determination as EU citizens? Especially when the EU says the whole of the island is a member but its jurisdiction is limited to the free areas. A return of 40 000 EU citizens seems to be returning Famagusta to the free areas.

These are typical obscurantist pie in the sky Turkish dreams. One more way to apply pressure in view of the gas find. Which at the moment is just one, managed by Americans via Noble,and there does not seem to be another one in the horizon considering Total's failure to find either gas or oil. Noble last week announced that it plans to sell the gas to Egypt and Jordan. Let us see who is the tough guy that is going to change their mind!
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Re: Turkey's Military Command Wants Varosha!

Postby Get Real! » Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:56 pm

MrH wrote:
Postby Get Real! » Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:16 am

MrH wrote:Although this has been in the pipeline for some time...


Must be in the same pipeline as the water... :?


Nice to see you here still Get Real. In a funny sort of Compatriot way, I was beginning to miss our conversations! As for the above, clearly you haven't heard the latest regarding the "Maras/Varosha", hence the recent reports in the LGCNEWS and etc. Turkey and the TRNC are now on full pursuit in opening the Varosha, particularly for EMU, East Med University residents and to had over the buildings (only) to their original builders (whether Greek, foreign or Turkish). However, the twist is that it will be under FULL TRNC Control. If this is rejected, which is obvious, then the VAKIF case will take lead and the Turkish military will lay its historical "Ottoman" claim to the "Land" the hotels occupy.

I often refer to TCs as “Ottoman remnants” and some get offended by it yet they all seem unanimous in throwing “Evkaf” in our face from time to time! :?

You’re gonna have to make your minds up because Ottomans lost their rights outside of modern Turkey’s perimeter at around 1923.

The British then sealed this land’s fate in the 1950s when they confiscated and transferred it over to individuals and the state.
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Re: Turkey's Military Command Wants Varosha!

Postby Mustiejodu » Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:33 pm

Nikitas wrote:Going back to the vakif, we call it evkaf, opens a can of worms regarding titles. It is just as easy to refer to 1570 as a starting point and claim that under venetian rule things were different. Which is why we jointly decided to respect titles officialised by the British and the land registry they set up.

And tell us how the TRNC will control a population of 40 000 GCs returning to Famagusta. IF the basis of the TC claims in Cyprus is self determination of 100 000 people how do they prevent 40 000 from setting up their own municipality and other expressions of self determination as EU citizens? Especially when the EU says the whole of the island is a member but its jurisdiction is limited to the free areas. A return of 40 000 EU citizens seems to be returning Famagusta to the free areas.

These are typical obscurantist pie in the sky Turkish dreams. One more way to apply pressure in view of the gas find. Which at the moment is just one, managed by Americans via Noble,and there does not seem to be another one in the horizon considering Total's failure to find either gas or oil. Noble last week announced that it plans to sell the gas to Egypt and Jordan. Let us see who is the tough guy that is going to change their mind!


Nikita I must apologise up untill now I thought you was a woman and only realised you was a man untill you mentioned when you was a young boy . The reason I thought you was a woman was to be blunt you have a very feminine response to every topic. You behave in the way a woman behaves in the responses you give and this is not slagging women off or being sexist .
Anyway what I find unacceptable is why should we accept what EU claims . EU is a group of countries that make their own rules which don't mean the whole world are bound to abide by the rules they make . What right has one treaty have over another ? We choose efkaf you choose EU. Why would one want to choose to abide by the British land registry . Is it choose what suits you week . Ok if we are going to abide by the British land registry then let's abide by the 100 year lease agreement that cyprus should be given back to the turks .
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Re: Turkey's Military Command Wants Varosha!

Postby Mustiejodu » Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:43 pm

Get Real! wrote:
MrH wrote:
Postby Get Real! » Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:16 am

MrH wrote:Although this has been in the pipeline for some time...


Must be in the same pipeline as the water... :?


Nice to see you here still Get Real. In a funny sort of Compatriot way, I was beginning to miss our conversations! As for the above, clearly you haven't heard the latest regarding the "Maras/Varosha", hence the recent reports in the LGCNEWS and etc. Turkey and the TRNC are now on full pursuit in opening the Varosha, particularly for EMU, East Med University residents and to had over the buildings (only) to their original builders (whether Greek, foreign or Turkish). However, the twist is that it will be under FULL TRNC Control. If this is rejected, which is obvious, then the VAKIF case will take lead and the Turkish military will lay its historical "Ottoman" claim to the "Land" the hotels occupy.

I often refer to TCs as “Ottoman remnants” and some get offended by it yet they all seem unanimous in throwing “Evkaf” in our face from time to time! :?

You’re gonna have to make your minds up because Ottomans lost their rights outside of modern Turkey’s perimeter at around 1923.

The British then sealed this land’s fate in the 1950s when they confiscated and transferred it over to individuals and the state.


So what your saying is the British broke their deal ? If the lands fate is sealed in the 1950s then the lands fate also changes from 1974 onwards . You can't choose as you please . Each circumstance then must dictate the status quo. I am only going by what your saying . If EU claims the whole of cyprus is EU then why is there a large presence of the turkish army in the north ? Why this great powerfull EU not threatening to go to war to claim back its EU land ? We believe the land belongs to Turkey from when they conquered cyprus from 1570 and we recognise the evkaf so you can all fuck yourselves .
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Re: Turkey's Military Command Wants Varosha!

Postby Get Real! » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:27 pm

Mustiejodu wrote:So what your saying is the British broke their deal ? If the lands fate is sealed in the 1950s then the lands fate also changes from 1974 onwards . You can't choose as you please . Each circumstance then must dictate the status quo. I am only going by what your saying . If EU claims the whole of cyprus is EU then why is there a large presence of the turkish army in the north ? Why this great powerfull EU not threatening to go to war to claim back its EU land ? We believe the land belongs to Turkey from when they conquered cyprus from 1570 and we recognise the evkaf so you can all fuck yourselves .

Evkaf, was nothing but LAND THEFT by the Ottomans at Cypriot’s expense so don’t ever expect the native Cypriots to support you in this! The British move was a step in a just direction.

The fact remains that your forefathers should’ve never come to Cyprus uninvited in the first place, and there’s been nothing but trouble here on Cyprus ever since they did… I’m sure you see it by now!

Retaining Turkishness on Cyprus isn’t working and professing an inherited Greekness on Cyprus hasn’t worked either.

Perhaps it’s God’s punishment to fools who refuse to assimilate with Cypriotness.
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Re: Turkey's Military Command Wants Varosha!

Postby Nikitas » Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:07 pm

Accepting the EU claims has been done pro actively by the 65 000 TCs who claimed and got TRoC passports after 2004 wanting to certify themselves as EU citizens, and presumably not as GCs.

The permanent complaint of the TC leadership is against the trading rules imposed by the EU that limit trade with the EU, so someone up there wants the EU.

As for feminine writing, well talk with Atheist who thinks i am a militarist war monger. Let me know the conclusion. On the other hand it may be because i do not swear as much as some posters.
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