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Re: Greece: worst team of the World Cup

Postby erolz66 » Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:08 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Keep fiddling with finding select statistics to make a silly case. Greece have only had two representations from which to draw those numbers - because as I said, they are an emerging team.


There is no fiddling and no selection involved at all, unlike your post where you compare Greece's stats and population size to a select few countries and ignore those that were not so favourable. The table is the table, it is fifa's not mine and its based on 100% fact not opinion. If you have a problem with it somehow being 'unfair' to Greece I suggest you contact Fifa and not complain to me. It is just a fact that in the fifa all time world cup ranking table Greece are 61st. Sorry if that fact upsets you - you go ahead and ignore it or rationalise it any way you like to make it fit your requirement of 'Greece is great', for you doing so does not change the facts one iota.
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Re: Greece: worst team of the World Cup

Postby DT. » Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:16 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Keep fiddling with finding select statistics to make a silly case. Greece have only had two representations from which to draw those numbers - because as I said, they are an emerging team.


There is no fiddling and no selection involved at all, unlike your post where you compare Greece's stats and population size to a select few countries and ignore those that were not so favourable. The table is the table, it is fifa's not mine and its based on 100% fact not opinion. If you have a problem with it somehow being 'unfair' to Greece I suggest you contact Fifa and not complain to me. It is just a fact that in the fifa all time world cup ranking table Greece are 61st. Sorry if that fact upsets you - you go ahead and ignore it or rationalise it any way you like to make it fit your requirement of 'Greece is great', for you doing so does not change the facts one iota.


Useless table for historians at most. There's a reason why the seeded teams are decided by the current rankings that rank Greece 12th and Australia 62nd. http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/rankingtable/

Are we seriously all discussing whether or not Australia is a serious footballing nation? It's 62nd and it plays in one of the easiest confederations out there. Go figure....
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Re: Greece: worst team of the World Cup

Postby Sotos » Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:15 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Keep fiddling with finding select statistics to make a silly case. Greece have only had two representations from which to draw those numbers - because as I said, they are an emerging team.


There is no fiddling and no selection involved at all, unlike your post where you compare Greece's stats and population size to a select few countries and ignore those that were not so favourable. The table is the table, it is fifa's not mine and its based on 100% fact not opinion. If you have a problem with it somehow being 'unfair' to Greece I suggest you contact Fifa and not complain to me. It is just a fact that in the fifa all time world cup ranking table Greece are 61st. Sorry if that fact upsets you - you go ahead and ignore it or rationalise it any way you like to make it fit your requirement of 'Greece is great', for you doing so does not change the facts one iota.


The 100% fact that matters is that Greece won the Euro not that long ago. Your table is specific to World Cup games, it is not an "All time ranking" in general. But even if in an "all time ranking" Greece was 60th and now it is 12th this would show one thing: Great improvement.
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Re: Greece: worst team of the World Cup

Postby Paphitis » Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:37 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote: I accept those small countries are excellent as well; but they were not under discussion in the context of the comparisons being made.


As you seem to enjoy and respect fifa rankings so much here is another one for you

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/stati ... kings.html

This one has Greece 61st just behind that footballing nation giant and population giant New Zealand and just ahead of Angola :)


Keep fiddling with finding select statistics to make a silly case. Greece have only had two representations from which to draw those numbers - because as I said, they are an emerging team.


That's because it did not qualify!

You can't just get into the World Cyp you actually got to qualify! Wherever Greece did not get to the World Cup, it means it was not good enough to get there.
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Re: Greece: worst team of the World Cup

Postby Paphitis » Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:38 am

Cap wrote:Before 1954 they didn't enter WC qualifying Paphiti.


Their first attempt was 1934. That is according to Wikipedia anyway.
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Re: Greece: worst team of the World Cup

Postby Paphitis » Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:44 am

DT. wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Keep fiddling with finding select statistics to make a silly case. Greece have only had two representations from which to draw those numbers - because as I said, they are an emerging team.


There is no fiddling and no selection involved at all, unlike your post where you compare Greece's stats and population size to a select few countries and ignore those that were not so favourable. The table is the table, it is fifa's not mine and its based on 100% fact not opinion. If you have a problem with it somehow being 'unfair' to Greece I suggest you contact Fifa and not complain to me. It is just a fact that in the fifa all time world cup ranking table Greece are 61st. Sorry if that fact upsets you - you go ahead and ignore it or rationalise it any way you like to make it fit your requirement of 'Greece is great', for you doing so does not change the facts one iota.


Useless table for historians at most. There's a reason why the seeded teams are decided by the current rankings that rank Greece 12th and Australia 62nd. http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/rankingtable/

Are we seriously all discussing whether or not Australia is a serious footballing nation? It's 62nd and it plays in one of the easiest confederations out there. Go figure....


Yes we are discussing that Australia is a serious Footballing Nation. The facts speak for themselves.

Australian players have been well represented at some of the best clubs across Europe. whereas Greek Players don't really get a look in. There is a reason for this, and you guys saw the reason at Australia's World Cup games. Australian Players actually play Football, are creative, more technical, skilled, and fit. But most of all, they fight and play to win. As a European Manager, I would be head hunting players such as these. Would I look at any Greek Players? Certainly not!

The current rank is as a result of bad results in the last 12 months. Even the last 2 games which Australia lost has resulted in Australia sliding further. But it does not reflect the reality of the situation. It does in no way mean that Greece is better than Australia, or that Greece can defeat Australia because we all know that this is NOT the case.

There is a very big difference between Australia and Greece and there always has been a big difference throughout history. Australia is ranked higher, has won more games against quality opposition and is a far more talented, professional and creative team.

I already told you that Greece will be ranked lower than Australia within 12 to 18 months.
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Re: Greece: worst team of the World Cup

Postby Paphitis » Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:45 am

Sotos wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Keep fiddling with finding select statistics to make a silly case. Greece have only had two representations from which to draw those numbers - because as I said, they are an emerging team.


There is no fiddling and no selection involved at all, unlike your post where you compare Greece's stats and population size to a select few countries and ignore those that were not so favourable. The table is the table, it is fifa's not mine and its based on 100% fact not opinion. If you have a problem with it somehow being 'unfair' to Greece I suggest you contact Fifa and not complain to me. It is just a fact that in the fifa all time world cup ranking table Greece are 61st. Sorry if that fact upsets you - you go ahead and ignore it or rationalise it any way you like to make it fit your requirement of 'Greece is great', for you doing so does not change the facts one iota.


The 100% fact that matters is that Greece won the Euro not that long ago. Your table is specific to World Cup games, it is not an "All time ranking" in general. But even if in an "all time ranking" Greece was 60th and now it is 12th this would show one thing: Great improvement.


No it is the "all time rankings" and it takes into consideration everything - World Cup, European Cup, Confederations, Friendlies, Asia Cup, Copa America, Oceania (you name it)
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Re: Greece: worst team of the World Cup

Postby Paphitis » Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:55 am

I mean there is a pecking order!

Cyprus and Greece head hunt mediocre African Players from Siera Leon, and top European Clubs get pricey Australian Players!

See the difference?

Can Apoel sign any of the current Australian Players? Can they afford them? :lol:

While most Cypriot Teams are black (negro), Australian A League teams recruit from Europe and South America. 8)
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Re: Greece: worst team of the World Cup

Postby DT. » Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:09 am

Paphitis wrote:I mean there is a pecking order!

Cyprus and Greece head hunt mediocre African Players from Siera Leon, and top European Clubs get pricey Australian Players!

See the difference?

Can Apoel sign any of the current Australian Players? Can they afford them? :lol:

While most Cypriot Teams are black (negro), Australian A League teams recruit from Europe and South America. 8)


You need to stop making yourself look silly. Don't make me send apoel over there to spank your so - called league because you know you don't have a team amongst those minnows to beat anyone in Cyprus.

And not that I understand what you have against African players but here's the nationality of the foreign players in apoel.

EU Nationals

Dionisis Chiotis Greece
Nuno Morais Portugal
Mário Sérgio Portugal
Tiago Gomes Portugal
Cillian Sheridan Ireland
Urko Pardo Spain
EU Nationals (Dual citizenship)

Gustavo Manduca Brazil
Aldo Adorno Paraguay
Non-EU Nationals

João Guilherme Brazil
Vinícius Brazil
César Santin Brazil
Kaká Brazil
Carlão Brazil

So for the last time lets look at some facts. You're 62nd in the world, you've lost all your World Cup games and you got beaten in qualifying by Japan. This wogball lark really isn't Australia's cup of tea now is it?
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Re: Greece: worst team of the World Cup

Postby erolz66 » Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:59 am

Sotos wrote:Your table is specific to World Cup games...


And the title of the thread is ?

And once more it is not 'my' table, it is fifa's.
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