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Re: 18%, Majority and Turkey!

Postby Oceanside50 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:12 pm

Viewpoint wrote:I am an average TC and do not speak for everyman nor do I claim to. What I do not support is for a united Cyprus to be given the freedom to gift itself to another country full stop, do you support the same? reminder sotos doesnt support this, he believes that because he is native and Greek that I have no rights and cannot stop him from gifting my country to another....in others words he wants the right to shit all over us TCs, do you support this?


But couldn't the Gc shit on the Tc in a bbf just as easily shit on the Tc in a unitary state?
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Re: 18%, Majority and Turkey!

Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:17 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:I am an average TC and do not speak for everyman nor do I claim to. What I do not support is for a united Cyprus to be given the freedom to gift itself to another country full stop, do you support the same? reminder sotos doesnt support this, he believes that because he is native and Greek that I have no rights and cannot stop him from gifting my country to another....in others words he wants the right to shit all over us TCs, do you support this?


But couldn't the Gc shit on the Tc in a bbf just as easily shit on the Tc in a unitary state?


Slightly more diificult as they would be bound by a system of checks and balances to force them to behave.
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Re: 18%, Majority and Turkey!

Postby Oceanside50 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:22 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
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Viewpoint wrote:I am an average TC and do not speak for everyman nor do I claim to. What I do not support is for a united Cyprus to be given the freedom to gift itself to another country full stop, do you support the same? reminder sotos doesnt support this, he believes that because he is native and Greek that I have no rights and cannot stop him from gifting my country to another....in others words he wants the right to shit all over us TCs, do you support this?


But couldn't the Gc shit on the Tc in a bbf just as easily shit on the Tc in a unitary state?


Slightly more diificult as they would be bound by a system of checks and balances to force them to behave.

Not likely Vp, because creating a system that descriminates and takes away an ethnic groups rights will force them to want to shit on the Tc and everything will be back to square one.... Didn't the Tc want to shit on the Gc pre 74? Why did they want to shit on the Gc ? Aren't you creating the same shit as before where everyone wants to shit on each other?
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Re: 18%, Majority and Turkey!

Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:34 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:
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Viewpoint wrote:I am an average TC and do not speak for everyman nor do I claim to. What I do not support is for a united Cyprus to be given the freedom to gift itself to another country full stop, do you support the same? reminder sotos doesnt support this, he believes that because he is native and Greek that I have no rights and cannot stop him from gifting my country to another....in others words he wants the right to shit all over us TCs, do you support this?


But couldn't the Gc shit on the Tc in a bbf just as easily shit on the Tc in a unitary state?


Slightly more diificult as they would be bound by a system of checks and balances to force them to behave.

Not likely Vp, because creating a system that descriminates and takes away an ethnic groups rights will force them to want to shit on the Tc and everything will be back to square one.... Didn't the Tc want to shit on the Gc pre 74? Why did they want to shit on the Gc ? Aren't you creating the same shit as before where everyone wants to shit on each other?


Why did the TCs want to shit on the GCs? please provide details. It was the GCs that did not adhere to the 1960 agreements it also went against supreme court judgements and instead wanted to implement Akritas.

Its appears to be fine when the Tcs rights are being taken away but fine when Gcs demand and pursue policies to gift Cyprus to another country discriminating in your words against a major ethnic group.
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Re: 18%, Majority and Turkey!

Postby Oceanside50 » Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:35 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
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Viewpoint wrote:I am an average TC and do not speak for everyman nor do I claim to. What I do not support is for a united Cyprus to be given the freedom to gift itself to another country full stop, do you support the same? reminder sotos doesnt support this, he believes that because he is native and Greek that I have no rights and cannot stop him from gifting my country to another....in others words he wants the right to shit all over us TCs, do you support this?


But couldn't the Gc shit on the Tc in a bbf just as easily shit on the Tc in a unitary state?


Slightly more diificult as they would be bound by a system of checks and balances to force them to behave.

Not likely Vp, because creating a system that descriminates and takes away an ethnic groups rights will force them to want to shit on the Tc and everything will be back to square one.... Didn't the Tc want to shit on the Gc pre 74? Why did they want to shit on the Gc ? Aren't you creating the same shit as before where everyone wants to shit on each other?


Why did the TCs want to shit on the GCs? please provide details. It was the GCs that did not adhere to the 1960 agreements it also went against supreme court judgements and instead wanted to implement Akritas.

Its appears to be fine when the Tcs rights are being taken away but fine when Gcs demand and pursue policies to gift Cyprus to another country discriminating in your words against a major ethnic group.


It's your duty as a Turkish Cypriots to let us know...I don't disagree with you on most of your points above. The Gc are taking turkey to court because of war crimes gather your evidence and do the same. There's a chance for change and maturity. The ROC is responsible for all its citizens Tc and Gc if it couldn't protect them in the past at the very least it should provide some sort of justice.
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Re: 18%, Majority and Turkey!

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:17 am

Will the GC run "RoC" also take itself to court for the injustice and lack of application of the 1960 agreements, the support it showed enosis and compensate those that were forced out of their homes in 1963? me thinks not.

So the TCs did not shit on the GCs the GCs refused to apply court judgements and wanted to take away our rights swo they could easily as sotos wants today gift this island to Greece.....enosis was the evil that caused a chnain of events leading to the division of today, time to man up accept this fact and move on.
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Re: 18%, Majority and Turkey!

Postby Oceanside50 » Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:05 am

The Roc in my opinion should address all these things you mentioned..
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Re: 18%, Majority and Turkey!

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:15 am

Oceanside50 wrote:The Roc in my opinion should address all these things you mentioned..


Do you know why is doesnt? it would mean owning up to the mistakes of past and how it failed the TC community but if it did imho it would a big break through to building trust and understanding that the "RoC" has changed and is for all Cypriots not just GCs. But this of course is pie in the sky because the GC "RoC" would never do this.
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Re: 18%, Majority and Turkey!

Postby Sotos » Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:15 am

Viewpoint wrote:Will the GC run "RoC" also take itself to court for the injustice and lack of application of the 1960 agreements, the support it showed enosis and compensate those that were forced out of their homes in 1963? me thinks not.

So the TCs did not shit on the GCs the GCs refused to apply court judgements and wanted to take away our rights swo they could easily as sotos wants today gift this island to Greece.....enosis was the evil that caused a chnain of events leading to the division of today, time to man up accept this fact and move on.


The chain of events started when YOU invaded OUR island and started to kill 10s of thousands of people.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.


Enosis was nothing more than the RIGHT of the native people which the foreign invaders oppressed.

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.


You should have NEVER invaded our island... but AT LEAST you should have allowed us to be free from 1821. Then Cyprus would be part of the initial Greek state as it should have. The problem is not us fighting for our freedom but you invading our island multiple times.
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Re: 18%, Majority and Turkey!

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:23 am

Sotos wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Will the GC run "RoC" also take itself to court for the injustice and lack of application of the 1960 agreements, the support it showed enosis and compensate those that were forced out of their homes in 1963? me thinks not.

So the TCs did not shit on the GCs the GCs refused to apply court judgements and wanted to take away our rights swo they could easily as sotos wants today gift this island to Greece.....enosis was the evil that caused a chnain of events leading to the division of today, time to man up accept this fact and move on.


The chain of events started when YOU invaded OUR island and started to kill 10s of thousands of people.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.


Enosis was nothing more than the RIGHT of the native people which the foreign invaders oppressed.

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.


You should have NEVER invaded our island... but AT LEAST you should have allowed us to be free from 1821. Then Cyprus would be part of the initial Greek state as it should have. The problem is not us fighting for our freedom but you invading our island multiple times.


Does your signature mean nothing, you signed along the dotted line to clear the slate and start a fresh by forming an independent Cyprus in 1960, but of course you never abandoned your enosis dream nor were you sincere in forming a unitary Cyprus , within 3 years you reneged by kicking us out of parliament and even going against a supreme court judgement to achieve your only goal of getting rid of the TCs by taking away their rights and doing as you wished, achieving enosis. We fought back, we had to, you left us with no choice, enosis for us was our persecution and even a death warrant, is was either that or fighting for survival, which is a natural human instict. You will never understand this, you cannot your mental capacity is insufficent. Do you really believe that your current viewpoint and demands will unite this island? hasnt 40 years of banging your head against a brick wall been enough? obviously not.
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