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[Kikapu]

Then suprise suprise another dead end.

Then change something.

The RoC can only go with the EU norms for Cyprus, or do you know another way for the RoC to break the EU norms to give you what you want which are against the EU norms?

Transition periods and derrogations, ever heard of them?

Sure I have, but none of them violate other citizens’ Democratic or Human Rights in their own country.

Lets hear on which issues you would want to have Transitional and Derogations that does not violate other Cypriot citizens Democratic and Human Rights in Cyprus.

Be very very specific with your answers please.

The Cyprus Donkey being allowed to reside in the North state.

They already have you and Lordo. I go along with that!

[Kikapu]

Kikapu Wrote:

As for the AP 5 proposals, they were Dead & Buried in 2004 (rest in pieces), since it cannot meet the European Acquis in a million years, specially since 100% of the island of Cyprus is already in the EU since 2004.

You keep on forgetting that it was the Turkish Cypriots whom were tricked in 2004, where the Greek Cypriots were still allowed to enter the ranks of the EU, while the EU were disgraced by retracking from their VIBAL promise to us Turkish Cypriots. As this mistrust still exists today with the continuation of the plight of the TCs still being Isolated, I would say that it was the Turkish Cypriots whom were the losers. Wake up my good man and understand the true intentions of the EU on Cyprus as if it were not for Turkey, the Turkish Cypriots woul dbe nothing more than a minority of less than 11% of the entire population of Cyprus......unless you like to feel worthless then that's another matter!

I hate to state the obvious to you, but it was the RoC as an entire island that was entered into the EU in 2004 with all of its Cypriot citizens. Anything else you want to add outside this plain and simple 4 corners of the agreement of the RoC being admitted into the EU it is not worth reading from you.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu Wrote:

As for the AP 5 proposals, they were Dead & Buried in 2004 (rest in pieces), since it cannot meet the European Acquis in a million years, specially since 100% of the island of Cyprus is already in the EU since 2004.

You keep on forgetting that it was the Turkish Cypriots whom were tricked in 2004, where the Greek Cypriots were still allowed to enter the ranks of the EU, while the EU were disgraced by retracking from their VIBAL promise to us Turkish Cypriots. As this mistrust still exists today with the continuation of the plight of the TCs still being Isolated, I would say that it was the Turkish Cypriots whom were the losers. Wake up my good man and understand the true intentions of the EU on Cyprus as if it were not for Turkey, the Turkish Cypriots woul dbe nothing more than a minority of less than 11% of the entire population of Cyprus......unless you like to feel worthless then that's another matter!

I hate to state the obvious to you, but it was the RoC as an entire island that was entered into the EU in 2004 with all of its Cypriot citizens. Anything else you want to add outside this plain and simple 4 corners of the agreement of the RoC being admitted into the EU it is not worth reading from you.

But you conveniently forget that everthing has been suspended for the North until a time that we agree to a solution, that can contain transitional periods and derrogations depending on the issues at hand.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu Wrote:

As for the AP 5 proposals, they were Dead & Buried in 2004 (rest in pieces), since it cannot meet the European Acquis in a million years, specially since 100% of the island of Cyprus is already in the EU since 2004.

You keep on forgetting that it was the Turkish Cypriots whom were tricked in 2004, where the Greek Cypriots were still allowed to enter the ranks of the EU, while the EU were disgraced by retracking from their VIBAL promise to us Turkish Cypriots. As this mistrust still exists today with the continuation of the plight of the TCs still being Isolated, I would say that it was the Turkish Cypriots whom were the losers. Wake up my good man and understand the true intentions of the EU on Cyprus as if it were not for Turkey, the Turkish Cypriots woul dbe nothing more than a minority of less than 11% of the entire population of Cyprus......unless you like to feel worthless then that's another matter!

I hate to state the obvious to you, but it was the RoC as an entire island that was entered into the EU in 2004 with all of its Cypriot citizens. Anything else you want to add outside this plain and simple 4 corners of the agreement of the RoC being admitted into the EU it is not worth reading from you.

But you conveniently forget that everthing has been suspended for the North until a time that we agree to a solution, that can contain transitional periods and derrogations depending on the issues at hand.

I haven't forgotten anything. I have asked you to state what transitional and derogations you want that will not violate any other Cypriot citizens' Democratic and Human Rights which the EUs' principles are based on.

Instead you want to talk about Donkeys.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu Wrote:

As for the AP 5 proposals, they were Dead & Buried in 2004 (rest in pieces), since it cannot meet the European Acquis in a million years, specially since 100% of the island of Cyprus is already in the EU since 2004.

You keep on forgetting that it was the Turkish Cypriots whom were tricked in 2004, where the Greek Cypriots were still allowed to enter the ranks of the EU, while the EU were disgraced by retracking from their VIBAL promise to us Turkish Cypriots. As this mistrust still exists today with the continuation of the plight of the TCs still being Isolated, I would say that it was the Turkish Cypriots whom were the losers. Wake up my good man and understand the true intentions of the EU on Cyprus as if it were not for Turkey, the Turkish Cypriots woul dbe nothing more than a minority of less than 11% of the entire population of Cyprus......unless you like to feel worthless then that's another matter!

I hate to state the obvious to you, but it was the RoC as an entire island that was entered into the EU in 2004 with all of its Cypriot citizens. Anything else you want to add outside this plain and simple 4 corners of the agreement of the RoC being admitted into the EU it is not worth reading from you.

But you conveniently forget that everthing has been suspended for the North until a time that we agree to a solution, that can contain transitional periods and derrogations depending on the issues at hand.

I haven't forgotten anything. I have asked you to state what transitional and derogations you want that will not violate any other Cypriot citizens' Democratic and Human Rights which the EUs' principles are based on.

Instead you want to talk about Donkeys.

How can I predict the future and what will and will consititute a demand for transitional periods or derrogation?

I always knew you didnt have a sense of humour.

[MrH]

by Kikapu » Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:54 pm

MrH wrote:Kikapu Wrote:

As for the AP 5 proposals, they were Dead & Buried in 2004 (rest in pieces), since it cannot meet the European Acquis in a million years, specially since 100% of the island of Cyprus is already in the EU since 2004.



You keep on forgetting that it was the Turkish Cypriots whom were tricked in 2004, where the Greek Cypriots were still allowed to enter the ranks of the EU, while the EU were disgraced by retracking from their VIBAL promise to us Turkish Cypriots. As this mistrust still exists today with the continuation of the plight of the TCs still being Isolated, I would say that it was the Turkish Cypriots whom were the losers. Wake up my good man and understand the true intentions of the EU on Cyprus as if it were not for Turkey, the Turkish Cypriots woul dbe nothing more than a minority of less than 11% of the entire population of Cyprus......unless you like to feel worthless then that's another matter!



I hate to state the obvious to you, but it was the RoC as an entire island that was entered into the EU in 2004 with all of its Cypriot citizens. Anything else you want to add outside this plain and simple 4 corners of the agreement of the RoC being admitted into the EU it is not worth reading from you.

Likewise Kikapu that I, too, hate to state the obvious that the EU added a term in their EU entry for "Cyprus" that it does not include (control) of the "Northern areas", or as having no "Effective Control" (over the Northern Territories of Cyprus). You seem to forget that the EU accepted the Entire Island of Cyprus with the aim of "aiding" to a Comprehensive solution, which it honestly knew that it didn't as we can evidently see! Hence, why the OIC were able to legally (without any international dispute) Offer the TRNC FULL "Observer" status within its organization to the Turkish Cypriots as the "Turkish Cypriot State". And, if the currently hijacked and altered "Republic of Cyprus" truly considers the TRNC as the "Occupied areas", then why does it bow to the border Crossings, and why do they year upon year sit around a table in search for a Comprehensive settlement based on a Federal formula. Surely, they would say enough to such nonsense and attempt to force the international community in pushing Turkey out of Northern Cyprus. The truth here is that it was the Greek Cypriots who instigated this entire mess and must now realise that Cyprus is heading towards the same peaceful formula sought by the SYR of Yugoslavia!

[Kikapu]

How can I predict the future and what will and will consititute a demand for transitional periods or derrogation?

I always knew you didnt have a sense of humour.

The future you are talking about is today, because the sides are negotiating, so you must have some idea which transitional and derogations demands you want the EU to make. I'm simply asking you what those are today and not what they might be in a hundred years time.

If I didn't have a sense of humour I wouldn't even respond to your and Lordos' posts!

[Viewpoint]

How can I predict the future and what will and will consititute a demand for transitional periods or derrogation?

I always knew you didnt have a sense of humour.

The future you are talking about is today, because the sides are negotiating, so you must have some idea which transitional and derogations demands you want the EU to make. I'm simply asking you what those are today and not what they might be in a hundred years time.

If I didn't have a sense of humour I wouldn't even respond to your and Lordos' posts!

A solution will not be found today so debating issues that may not even be of concern when we are dead (future) doesnt really feel productive to me.

[boulio]

How can I predict the future and what will and will consititute a demand for transitional periods or derrogation?

I always knew you didnt have a sense of humour.

The future you are talking about is today, because the sides are negotiating, so you must have some idea which transitional and derogations demands you want the EU to make. I'm simply asking you what those are today and not what they might be in a hundred years time.

If I didn't have a sense of humour I wouldn't even respond to your and Lordos' posts!

A solution will not be found today so debating issues that may not even be of concern when we are dead (future) doesnt really feel productive to me.

That's what we all thought permanent derogations

[Viewpoint]

How can I predict the future and what will and will consititute a demand for transitional periods or derrogation?

I always knew you didnt have a sense of humour.

The future you are talking about is today, because the sides are negotiating, so you must have some idea which transitional and derogations demands you want the EU to make. I'm simply asking you what those are today and not what they might be in a hundred years time.

If I didn't have a sense of humour I wouldn't even respond to your and Lordos' posts!

A solution will not be found today so debating issues that may not even be of concern when we are dead (future) doesnt really feel productive to me.

That's what we all thought permanent derogations

If these derrogations were not of great importance to you would you still reject them? what do you fear?