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[Kikapu]

Yes, why do the TCs go to extremes to avoid settlers coming next to them? In my grandfathers village and in neighboring ones they demolised half the houses so as not to leave room for settlers. These are TCs mostly from Polis, so maybe it is their local Tillyros culture that is at fault. I am just being sarcastic.

It's because the Turks do not particularly like the TCs either, so it's a two-way street between the Turks and the TCs. The ONLY reason why VP loves the Turks, even when Erdogan calls him a "parasite", and righfully so, it's because they can keep the GCs out of the north so that VP keep the GCs stolen properties at the same time. A win-win al around. So for VP, a little humiliation by the Turks now and then goes a long way to live off the stolen GCs properties.

I dont have or use any GC property all my deeds are Turkish title deeds, unlike your family who are all living in GC property today, your mother being the worst parasite for not even needing property but being greedy she didnt want to miss out so she signed these "points" over to her siblings to benefit from GC property, this begs the question then did she exclude you her sibling or have you benefited as well? we all know how much of a hypocrite you really are so what is it? do you have points or did she ignore you as her sibling?

You are very confused as ever.

But all the partitionist believes that ALL the land in the north is now "Turkish", therefore, as far as you are concern, they all have Turkish titles. You did not use the term "TC titles" . Hey, you don't even use the term stolen GC titles. As far as you are concerned, there are no stolen GCs properties in the north, and if that is the case, then why are you accusing my family members doing anything wrong in getting these properties against their properties in the south? I say they are stolen GC properties, so who is the hypocrite here?

TCs got points against their own properties in the south. These points have nothing to do with stolen GCs properties in the north. Those who have/had these points then can use them towards getting stolen GCs properties to live in, which many TC families did. Most of these TCs families had already been living in these stolen GC properties since 1974 anyway. The point system was created in the 90's if I'm not mistaken by the Illegal regime in the north so that they not only stole the GCs properties in the north already, now they were also going to steal the TCs properties in the south too by using scare tactics. I'm sure many of your family members did the same thing. My mother never used her point for anything, not for getting stolen GC property or get cash for them. ONLY once these points are used towards GC properties or are cashed-in is when the illegal regime in the north took "ownership" of the TCs properties in the south, or whom ever bought the points. But of course, the RoC does not recognise the points system anyway, so in reality, it may not mean much. It may be used to set state lines in a new Federal Cyprus if and when it happens. My mother still retains ownership of her share of her family's property in the south.....period. My mother is still alive and she retains her points, and those points will never ever be sold even if she were not alive. We will get her share of her family's property in the south no matter when that might happen.

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So now you are saying your mother did not distribute her points to her siblings? so you are yet again lieing to us. If she did pass these points on to her sibling to get benefit from abandoned GC housing, then why didnt you get an equal share? See you cannot be trusted you are constantly lieing.

[Kikapu]

So now you are saying your mother did not distribute her points to her siblings? so you are yet again lieing to us. If she did pass these points on to her sibling to get benefit from abandoned GC housing, then why didnt you get an equal share? See you cannot be trusted you are constantly lieing.

I was right about your attention span not lasting more than a day.

Why don't you go back and re-read what I wrote in this thread and then come back and accuse me of lying about anything, if you can?

[Geoff1131]

Kikapu, having read your posts on this subject can you clarify something?

If your mother agreed to take her share of points from the property in the south so that her siblings could relocate to the north. Then surely all that she owns now are the points..... She should never of agreed to letting the property being divided up and points awarded to other members of the family if she wanted to retain a claim on the property in the south. She can not now have a claim on property that other members of her family have benefited from by taking land in the north as compensation.

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So now you are saying your mother did not distribute her points to her siblings? so you are yet again lieing to us. If she did pass these points on to her sibling to get benefit from abandoned GC housing, then why didnt you get an equal share? See you cannot be trusted you are constantly lieing.

I was right about your attention span not lasting more than a day.

Why don't you go back and re-read what I wrote in this thread and then come back and accuse me of lying about anything, if you can?

Your own words "She went along with the point system just to help out her siblings". So now we have seen you are lieing yet again, why would your mother need points if she was not going to use them? if like us she didnt want Gc property then she would not have put in an application for points to help herself or her siblings? you have been caught lieing yet again.

[Kikapu]

So now you are saying your mother did not distribute her points to her siblings? so you are yet again lieing to us. If she did pass these points on to her sibling to get benefit from abandoned GC housing, then why didnt you get an equal share? See you cannot be trusted you are constantly lieing.

I was right about your attention span not lasting more than a day.

Why don't you go back and re-read what I wrote in this thread and then come back and accuse me of lying about anything, if you can?

Your own words "She went along with the point system just to help out her siblings". So now we have seen you are lieing yet again, why would your mother need points if she was not going to use them? if like us she didnt want Gc property then she would not have put in an application for points to help herself or her siblings? you have been caught lieing yet again.

You are a lost cause. You do not comprehend what you read. You are just too stupid.

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So now you are saying your mother did not distribute her points to her siblings? so you are yet again lieing to us. If she did pass these points on to her sibling to get benefit from abandoned GC housing, then why didnt you get an equal share? See you cannot be trusted you are constantly lieing.

I was right about your attention span not lasting more than a day.

Why don't you go back and re-read what I wrote in this thread and then come back and accuse me of lying about anything, if you can?

Your own words "She went along with the point system just to help out her siblings". So now we have seen you are lieing yet again, why would your mother need points if she was not going to use them? if like us she didnt want Gc property then she would not have put in an application for points to help herself or her siblings? you have been caught lieing yet again.

You are a lost cause. You do not comprehend what you read. You are just too stupid.

Your ship has well and truely been sunk.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, having read your posts on this subject can you clarify something?

If your mother agreed to take her share of points from the property in the south so that her siblings could relocate to the north. Then surely all that she owns now are the points..... She should never of agreed to letting the property being divided up and points awarded to other members of the family if she wanted to retain a claim on the property in the south. She can not now have a claim on property that other members of her family have benefited from by taking land in the north as compensation.

Good question.

My mother agreed to nominate one of her siblings in the 90's to act as an executer to divide up the family property in the south, except it was not done in the RoC courts through probate and there was no will. Instead, the executor used his nomination position and decided to receive points in the north for their properties in the south, just because the crossings were closed in those days and would have required a lenghy legal process to sort out the property left to the siblings from their parents, my grandparents. Since the property in the south was all grouped together, the points were given on a grouped value of the property. The points then were divided between the siblings on equal shares. The rest of the siblings used those points towards the stolen GCs properties they were already living in. My mother did not use the points towards any stolen GC properties in the north. Instead she just kept them since she now became the owner of those points.

If you read the conditions on the certificate of those points issued by the north, unless those points are exchanged for stolen GC properties or sold them for cash, her rights, to at least her share of the property in the south against the share of points she hold give her the right to some of the family property in the south, lets say to her share. As I said, the RoC does not even recognise this point exchange system the north created. Only the north recognises it, and any TC who has used points towards stolen GC properties in the north or has sold their points for cash will be prosecuted in the north if they try to get their properties in the south in the form of "Double Dipping", because the regime in the north see all TCs properties in the south were points were issued against and those points were then exchanged for stolen GC properties or for cash as no longer having any claim to those properties in the south.

My mother did not exchange her point neither for stolen GC properties in the north or exchanged them for cash, so as far as the north is concern, my mothers share of the property in the south remains intact. As far as the RoC is concern, my mother can get all the family property in the south if all her living siblings or the children of the dead siblings were to sign all their claim to the property in the south to her, because she had left Cyprus before 1974 and has never gotten any stolen GC property in the north. My mother did not break any RoC laws what so ever, therefore her claims to if not all the property in the south, at least her share of the property still remain valid today.

I hope this answers your question.

[Geoff1131]

Thanks, that answers some of my questions, but creates others. For ease of thought lets say your mother was one of four so she has 25% share in the property and the other three had 75% between them until they accepted the exchange property in the north as compensation. So now the authorities in the north own the 75% so who will decide what the property is worth whenever the situation arises, so that your mother can cash in, as it were her 25%? If it is the north's administration i would think they will put a low valuation on the property so as to take full control at the best price. If your mother puts too high a valuation on the property then i would expect the owner with the 75% stake to challenge the valuation. Otherwise you would have a reverse situation of the " Double Dipping " that you obviously feel to be unfair?

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Geoff Kikapoos mother has in fact siged along the dotted line in a quest to allow her siblings to use abandoned GC property who knows they may have even sold them. The fact that Kikapoo claims she has not sold her points for cash or used them to obtain a GC property changes nothing, she has given up her right to the property in the South when she signed along the dotted line, her name is on our records and if she tried to reclaim her stake in the properties in the South she would have to produce a documents from the North to say she has not exchanged the land nor has she signed along the dotted line which we all now know she cannot. Kikapoo has always looked down on those TCs that have used GC property, he has called them scum thieves and parasites when all along his mother was first inline to sign over property so her siblings could benefit from the situation, hes a hypocrite and a liar of the worst kind.