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What if turkey never intervened in 1974 .

Postby Mustiejodu » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:11 am

What do you think would have happened based on the events that led to the intervention if there was no intervention in 1974.
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Re: What if turkey never intervened in 1974 .

Postby Nikitas » Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:24 am

There would have been a Greek led campaign against "communists" in the GC community. It would have lasted a few weeks or months, strongly supported by the US, it was still cold war times back then. However there would be violent reaction from the majority of GCs to any attempt, overt or concealed, to turn Cyprus into a Greek district. Enosis in practice and Enosis in theory are two vastly different matters, something that GCs know well but others ignore.

Britain would not accept any kind of union with Greece. Cyprus would therefor remain independent, but with a much diminished left, which suits everyone involved.

The 1973 deal re separate municipalities would have been expedited as it suited all parties involved.

But, all the above mean that the dictatorship would have remained in Greece under a deranged dude like Ioannides. How long that could have lasted is another matter.
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Re: What if turkey never intervened in 1974 .

Postby Get Real! » Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:05 pm

The Greek military dictatorship would’ve been extended to Cyprus and mass arrests and executions of Makarios sympathizers and “communists” would’ve ensued.

Either way Cyprus was poised to lose because there were far too many anti-Cypriot traitors for this country to work. In fact there still are…

But anyway, WW3 is looming so the CyProb pales into insignificance.
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Re: What if turkey never intervened in 1974 .

Postby Oceanside50 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:51 pm

Mustiejodu wrote:What do you think would have happened based on the events that led to the intervention if there was no intervention in 1974.


the makarios supporters which were roughly 95% of the population would have overwhelmed the junta and sampson by the following week and order restored...answer your question ?
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Re: What if turkey never intervened in 1974 .

Postby Lordo » Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:44 am

realy oceanside, what were they going to fight with. ng were under greek control in fact are still to this day. once they finished with the gc opposition which was maily the police force which were very lightly armed, they would have turned on tcs and implement aphrodite pans one and two. you really need to open your eyes every so often and take the wax out of your ears at the same time.
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Re: What if turkey never intervened in 1974 .

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:48 am

...order would have been restored, and in that respect the coup would be described a failure. Cypriots would see the value of defending each other, and that their real enemy is neither Greek or Turk but plain ordinary Ignorant. The Cypriot Flag would be flying higher, without question, Free Expression, and Free Association, as well as Free Movement would be secured, by Cypriots, for Cypriots, there are many good reasons for other flags to fly as well, culturally we would be further advanced, as a crossroad for three continents, we would enjoy cosmopolitan city centers, as highly refined facilitators of social-exchange; free from being torn in two, Cyprus, and Cypriots, then as now, would be great partners in the region's affairs, because without a Cyprus there is no fulcrum to Turkey's enormous might, what good Turkey can do for others is gone, leaving her only to take care of herself in ways where there is no balance.

@Lordo, you ignore the fact that the coup, even as GR describes it, as a success because it successfully removed a Government from office, the Republic remains and remained undefeated. think again, because the People, mostly Greek i suppose by sheer demographics, had better hope in the rest of Mankind, they provided no hope to the "Greeks", "you" seem so focused on, who by the shear inertia of their own stupidity were unable to sustain themselves; the Junta failed likewise. ...Turkey could have chosen to withdraw from her beach-head, instead she chose to displace hundreds of thousands, make thousands go missing, in less than two weeks, and this under the guise to her own public as a "Peace Operation", which the UN describes perhaps more aptly, an illegal occupation.
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Re: What if turkey never intervened in 1974 .

Postby Nikitas » Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:12 am

The Junta was not stronger than the 45000 strong British army of the 50s. If insurgency could defeat one, it could defeat the other.
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Re: What if turkey never intervened in 1974 .

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:48 am

Get Real! wrote:The Greek military dictatorship would’ve been extended to Cyprus and mass arrests and executions of Makarios sympathizers and “communists” would’ve ensued.

Either way Cyprus was poised to lose because there were far too many anti-Cypriot traitors for this country to work. In fact there still are…

But anyway, WW3 is looming so the CyProb pales into insignificance.


Bullshit!!!

Who made up most of the CNG?? Conscripts from every village throughout Cyprus. After realizing what they were ordered to do they would have turned those guns on the junta officers in about a weeks time.
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Re: What if turkey never intervened in 1974 .

Postby Viewpoint » Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:35 pm

All specualtion, the risk for us TCs after 11 years of being shit upon by the GCs was far to great, so Turkey stepping in to pull us apart was the best thing that could ever happen to Cyprus. When you take into consideration the lack of progress made in trying to unite we must all accept that if we were forced to live together the situation would have been far worse for the TCs in their own country.
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Re: What if turkey never intervened in 1974 .

Postby Lordo » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:05 pm

Nikitas wrote:The Junta was not stronger than the 45000 strong British army of the 50s. If insurgency could defeat one, it could defeat the other.
you are living in dreamland my friend. instead of being thankful for first of all saving the cypriots from the coup and of course the bigger bonus was saving the greeks from the junta. if you were not so stupid and signed an agreement in 74 not only would the terks gone home but also there would be no settlers in cyprus either. but of course as stupidity prevails to this stay.
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