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Re: Ottoman girl and Turkish Cypriot

Postby insan » Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:18 pm

Klik wrote:
insan wrote:It's from 1955, GR... Elefteria newspaper of Cyprus...


It makes perfect sense because the term "Turkish Cypriot" was coined by the British in the 1930s and wasn't really used in Cyprus until 1960 (officially, due to the Republic of Cyprus also being a British invention) and not until the late 70s by the public, after the 1974 invasion, following the decision to hold negotiations between the Greek and Turkish communities, which also didn't make sense as negotiations/discussions should have always been between Cyprus and Turkey.

The "Turkish Cypriots" were called Muslims, Ottomans, Turks or Turkophones. They were never called 'Cypriot'. Then again, the term Cypriot was not really used by most sides. Not Catholics, not Armenians, not Jews(yes, we had them too), not Turks... It was rather exclusive to the Greek population (until the other minorities auto-absorbed themselves into the Greek community)
The Ottomans didn't really identify as Cypriots until the British told them to in the 30s. But even that took around 20 years to become a thing. They identified as Turks/Ottomans. The Greeks identified as Greeks of course. There was no Cypriot identity to describe a multicultural society as it was rather easily assumed that Cyprus would eventually become a Greek province and Turkey didn't really care about Cyprus until the early 50s.



However, we've never called you as Greeks or Greek Cypriots but usually we called you as urums or by official form rum... and rarely as cypriot urums because sometimes it has to be stated to distinguish any rum under ottoman rule from a rum of Cyprus... and we still call u as urums, colloquially... officially rum...
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Re: Ottoman girl and Turkish Cypriot

Postby Klik » Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:48 pm

Which derives from the term Roman. Christian Roman to be exact... (not my favorite kind :D )
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Re: Ottoman girl and Turkish Cypriot

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:59 pm

Klik wrote:Which derives from the term Roman. Christian Roman to be exact... (not my favorite kind :D )


Indirectly, yes, but I think you will find that the direct root is the Greek word "Ρωμιός".
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Re: Ottoman girl and Turkish Cypriot

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:24 pm

I made a similar comment yesterday then deleted it as I thought it mind offend insan. But most likely,the female victim was probably only referred to as "Ottoman" because it sounds less vulgar than "Turk" and they were showing some sympathy with her demise at the hands of the murderous Turk.

Even the Brits referred to the "now" TCs as Turks up until the 1960's as it was well known that the natives are Greek and that Cyprus is Greek and was due a return to the Hellenic fold - if they could risk leaving this area in peace!
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Re: Ottoman girl and Turkish Cypriot

Postby Get Real! » Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:37 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:...it was well known that the natives are Greek and that Cyprus is Greek and was due a return to the Hellenic fold

Give up the stupidities Oracle... Greece has caused enough problems to Cyprus already without having the likes of you continuing the failed mantra!
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Re: Ottoman girl and Turkish Cypriot

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:12 pm

Get Real! wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:...it was well known that the natives are Greek and that Cyprus is Greek and was due a return to the Hellenic fold

Give up the stupidities Oracle... Greece has caused enough problems to Cyprus already without having the likes of you continuing the failed mantra!


Just restating the facts, whether you like them or not:

British Defence and Overseas Policy May 1964

4. (d) The only two solutions which could bring peace and order in Cyprus are enosis or the establishment of a unitary republic dominated by its Greek Cypriot majority.

5. ... efforts should be concentrated on easing the path to the unitary state, e.g. by providing U.N. safeguards for the minority and by giving financial and other assistance for the resettling of those Turkish Cypriots to whom Cyprus may no longer appear a tolerable home.

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Re: Ottoman girl and Turkish Cypriot

Postby Get Real! » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:54 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:...it was well known that the natives are Greek and that Cyprus is Greek and was due a return to the Hellenic fold

Give up the stupidities Oracle... Greece has caused enough problems to Cyprus already without having the likes of you continuing the failed mantra!


Just restating the facts, whether you like them or not:

British Defence and Overseas Policy May 1964

4. (d) The only two solutions which could bring peace and order in Cyprus are enosis or the establishment of a unitary republic dominated by its Greek Cypriot majority.

5. ... efforts should be concentrated on easing the path to the unitary state, e.g. by providing U.N. safeguards for the minority and by giving financial and other assistance for the resettling of those Turkish Cypriots to whom Cyprus may no longer appear a tolerable home.

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What do I care what a bunch of foreigners have been scribbling on their self-serving little bits of paper Oracle?

What you fail to realize is that Cypriots don’t need you or anybody else to tell them who they are!

I told you about a hundred times already…

CYPRUS IS MORE ANCIENT THAN ANYTHING GREEK OR TURKISH APPEARED ON THE HORIZON!

Do you comprehend the power of that?

These people here had a NATION, and a LANGUAGE, and a CULTURE, and a STATUS for some 2000 years before a bunch of peasants banded together and decided to call 6 mud huts “Athens”.

So they simply CANNOT be reinvented in the 20th century and don’t you ever forget that!

The native Cypriots are LEVANTIANS make no mistake about it!
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Re: Ottoman girl and Turkish Cypriot

Postby Get Real! » Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:10 pm

For those who may be wondering…

The “Greek” language had nothing to do with Greece for there was no Greece when this language was taking shape, but it was an evolution of Phoenician + Cypriot + other influences, that the Eastern Roman Empire eventually adopted.

That is why we speak “Greek” (<- contemporary label) here in Cyprus and certainly not because “Greeks” arrived here!

The Cypriots have a perfect DNA match with people in the Lebanon.

Anthropologists keep telling us that ancient Man made his way through Africa up to the Levant and then onto Cyprus and certainly not the other way round that these fools want us to believe!

The closeness of Cyprus to the Levant makes perfect sense!

The history of the Phoenicians is one of UNISON between the Levant and Cyprus, yet we still have people today driveling on about some guy in a “Greek” boat who came to our shores selling pots and garter belts!
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Re: Ottoman girl and Turkish Cypriot

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:31 pm

Poor mixed-up kid.
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Re: Ottoman girl and Turkish Cypriot

Postby Get Real! » Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:46 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Poor mixed-up kid.

I’m not mixed up at all!

Cyprus is in the Middle East and that’s why we have Muslims right around us so get used to it!

Nobody’s ever tried to change my religion and they don’t ever bother me at all.

I got off at Latakia, Beirut, Amman, Damascus and other ME cities many times in the past and they’ve always greeted me with a BIG smile because I was from CYPRUS… the nice guys from THEIR region!

Some of you may think you’ve become Europeans and are thus more related to that region… well whatever suits your fantasies because I know I’m 100% Cypriot and thus Middle Eastern.

Both my feet are firmly on the ground. :wink:
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