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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby miltiades » Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:52 pm

To think that someone actually thinks that these cutthroat savages are courageous, is not only bizarre, sick, but nonsensical in every sense. Only a psychopath such as you would post such inflammatory and sick comments.
Fuck off weirdo .
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Garavnoss » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:20 pm

miltiades wrote:To think that someone actually thinks that these cutthroat savages are courageous, is not only bizarre, sick, but nonsensical in every sense. Only a psychopath such as you would post such inflammatory and sick comments.
Fuck off weirdo .



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It will require you to sit quietly and meditate a little, if you can achieve that, your whole life will undergo great changes.

This I promise.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:55 pm

Garavnoss wrote:I think it's about time somebody gave IS a bit of credit for their courage, after all, they are facing overwhelming odds and not making too bad a job of antagonizing the mighty forces arrayed against them.


Their courage in antagonizing? Really? Care to expand on why you seem to find this admirable?

And, is this the example you follow in antagonizing Miltiades?
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Garavnoss » Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:41 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Garavnoss wrote:I think it's about time somebody gave IS a bit of credit for their courage, after all, they are facing overwhelming odds and not making too bad a job of antagonizing the mighty forces arrayed against them.


Their courage in antagonizing? Really? Care to expand on why you seem to find this admirable?

And, is this the example you follow in antagonizing Miltiades?




My comments on the courage of the IS were not directed toward their ability to antagonize, clearly they face overwhelming forces arrayed against them and the very fact that they are not intimidated by such a situation is proof of their courage as they fight back.

As to the subject of "Antagonism", I am of the opinion that the objective behind many of the actions which DO seem to antagonize, might well be a ploy intended to goad the opponents of IS into making the mistake of placing "Boots on the Ground" (which seems to be an expression bandied about in high places) which may produce results not so well received by the West.

What we are told of the events taking place wherever the conflicts may be, is not necessarily the truth and, being aware of such, we should all be a little less ready to brand the IS fighters "Cowards" since "Cowards" do not relish a fight.

These people are not afraid of the mighty forces which seek to destroy them, they deserve to be regarded as "Courageous" rather more than their adversaries who can sit before a monitor and fire laser-guided bombs on innocent civilians (along with IS troops), it takes LESS courage to overfly a village and drop bombs from safe altitudes (in case IS have the means to shoot them down).

As to Miltiades, the mere fact that I highlight my opinion that IS may have some degree of courage, antagonizes him to such a degree that HE assumes that I must be one of the Jihadists, a very foolish and insulting person who thoroughly deserves to be "Antagonized".
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Lordo » Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:46 am

lucky for us the old fool is clearly a diy type self antagonist specialist.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Maximus » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:35 am

Garavnoss wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Garavnoss wrote:I think it's about time somebody gave IS a bit of credit for their courage, after all, they are facing overwhelming odds and not making too bad a job of antagonizing the mighty forces arrayed against them.


Their courage in antagonizing? Really? Care to expand on why you seem to find this admirable?

And, is this the example you follow in antagonizing Miltiades?




My comments on the courage of the IS were not directed toward their ability to antagonize, clearly they face overwhelming forces arrayed against them and the very fact that they are not intimidated by such a situation is proof of their courage as they fight back.

As to the subject of "Antagonism", I am of the opinion that the objective behind many of the actions which DO seem to antagonize, might well be a ploy intended to goad the opponents of IS into making the mistake of placing "Boots on the Ground" (which seems to be an expression bandied about in high places) which may produce results not so well received by the West.

What we are told of the events taking place wherever the conflicts may be, is not necessarily the truth and, being aware of such, we should all be a little less ready to brand the IS fighters "Cowards" since "Cowards" do not relish a fight.

These people are not afraid of the mighty forces which seek to destroy them, they deserve to be regarded as "Courageous" rather more than their adversaries who can sit before a monitor and fire laser-guided bombs on innocent civilians (along with IS troops), it takes LESS courage to overfly a village and drop bombs from safe altitudes (in case IS have the means to shoot them down).

As to Miltiades, the mere fact that I highlight my opinion that IS may have some degree of courage, antagonizes him to such a degree that HE assumes that I must be one of the Jihadists, a very foolish and insulting person who thoroughly deserves to be "Antagonized".


From my perspective, Syria and the kurds are the only "mighty forces" who are opposing them (at this time). Their leader has already come out and said that they see Turkey as their ally.

Who are the overwhelming forces seeking to destroy IS? where are they?

It seems to me that they are antagonizing the kurds and an already weakened Syrian army..
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:46 am

Garavnoss wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Garavnoss wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Garavnoss wrote:I think it's about time somebody gave IS a bit of credit for their courage, after all, they are facing overwhelming odds and not making too bad a job of antagonizing the mighty forces arrayed against them.


I cant give any credit to these savages because they have a backward ideology, their trying to steal land that does not belong to them and are committing acts of barbarism.

Their too far from being credible to give them any credit.

Are you for real?


They are TRYING to steal land that does not belong to them and committing barbaric acts, therefore they deserve no credit ?.

How does that equate with the barbarism of the Israeli that HAS stolen land that does not belong to them yet receives credit ?.


Regarding your first question, they do not deserve any credit.

regarding your second. It does not equate. I do not and did not give Israel any credit for stealing land.

What has this got to do with your previous comment?


O.K. I readily accept your point in regard to my second comment.

My first comments are self explanatory, it is quite clear that IS faces enormously superior forces (whatever their objectives are) and it seems unreasonable to persistently refer to them as cowards and barbarians when the forces arrayed against them are as deserving of the same criticisms as they are.

No need to drag up past (or current incidents) in order to highlight the "Courage" reference.

Any enemy should be regarded as a worthy one for a simple reason, "They may Win" and if they did, it would not bode well for the mighty forces of the West if they had to admit defeat to a bunch of "Cowardly Rabble" (or some such.

As to IS, it must take courage to face down such mighty forces as they DO face, these people are not afraid of death, they are ready to attack heavily guarded military targets and believe they have a just cause in doing so.

They are said to be goading the forces of the West (by many means) with a view to encourage a "Boots on the Ground" confrontation it would appear that the West has not got the stomach for such battle, they would rather resort to the use their "High Tech" weapons and "Fly Over" bombing campaigns in order to degrade IS.

Unfortunately, such actions are more worthy of the term "Coward" and the ONLY degrading that is taking place is in the character of those who will not venture to engage in a fair contest......................we all know who.


There is nothing brave about terrorizing innocent unarmed people of other religions or sects - Kurds, Azidi, Turkmen, Syrian Kurds (Kobani).

There is nothing brave about about kidnapping women, using them as sex objects or selling them for their bodies and then killing some of them.

They are cowards driven by a false ideology.

What is brave are soldiers fighting on with the knowledge that they are going to die to the last Man and without the afterlife or a chance to see their wives, and children again - an example is The Battle of Long Tan in Vietnam where 108 soldiers were engaged by 6000 VC. That's bloody brave.

The fact that the coalition has not sent any troops as yet means that DAESH are able to adapt their warfare to this state of play.

When the troops arrive, which they will, you will see how brave they are then.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:53 am

Garavnoss wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Garavnoss wrote:I think it's about time somebody gave IS a bit of credit for their courage, after all, they are facing overwhelming odds and not making too bad a job of antagonizing the mighty forces arrayed against them.


I cant give any credit to these savages because they have a backward ideology, their trying to steal land that does not belong to them and are committing acts of barbarism.

Their too far from being credible to give them any credit.

Are you for real?


They are TRYING to steal land that does not belong to them and committing barbaric acts, therefore they deserve no credit ?.

How does that equate with the barbarism of the Israeli that HAS stolen land that does not belong to them yet receives credit ?.


I will take issue with it.

Israel has not stolen any lands, not in the context you refer to anyway because the State of Israel was formed in 1948 from a UN General Assembly Recommendation for the Partition of British Palestine.

It was the best place for the formation of this State, and let's face it, Jerusalem is their city. Come on, let's be honest here about the real owners and who were the real invaders.

As to other territories, the Palestinians are more than welcome to begin negotiations in good faith.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:56 am

Garavnoss wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Garavnoss wrote:I think it's about time somebody gave IS a bit of credit for their courage, after all, they are facing overwhelming odds and not making too bad a job of antagonizing the mighty forces arrayed against them.

What courage you fucking psycho, slitting the throats of innocent people and using them as football or sticking decapitated heads n poles.
You are a disgusting idiot , you make me sick, fuck off to Syria you fucking pervert, go join the courageous savages.




Funny person. :roll:


It's not funny at all. These are the cowards you call brave!
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:02 am

Garavnoss wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Garavnoss wrote:I think it's about time somebody gave IS a bit of credit for their courage, after all, they are facing overwhelming odds and not making too bad a job of antagonizing the mighty forces arrayed against them.


Their courage in antagonizing? Really? Care to expand on why you seem to find this admirable?

And, is this the example you follow in antagonizing Miltiades?




My comments on the courage of the IS were not directed toward their ability to antagonize, clearly they face overwhelming forces arrayed against them and the very fact that they are not intimidated by such a situation is proof of their courage as they fight back.

As to the subject of "Antagonism", I am of the opinion that the objective behind many of the actions which DO seem to antagonize, might well be a ploy intended to goad the opponents of IS into making the mistake of placing "Boots on the Ground" (which seems to be an expression bandied about in high places) which may produce results not so well received by the West.

What we are told of the events taking place wherever the conflicts may be, is not necessarily the truth and, being aware of such, we should all be a little less ready to brand the IS fighters "Cowards" since "Cowards" do not relish a fight.

These people are not afraid of the mighty forces which seek to destroy them, they deserve to be regarded as "Courageous" rather more than their adversaries who can sit before a monitor and fire laser-guided bombs on innocent civilians (along with IS troops), it takes LESS courage to overfly a village and drop bombs from safe altitudes (in case IS have the means to shoot them down).

As to Miltiades, the mere fact that I highlight my opinion that IS may have some degree of courage, antagonizes him to such a degree that HE assumes that I must be one of the Jihadists, a very foolish and insulting person who thoroughly deserves to be "Antagonized".


ISIL have been antagonizing innocent people well before the West wanted to get involved in Iraq and Syria.

The West also has a mandate from the Iraqi Government to intervene, so the intervention is dejure legal. The mandate from the Syrian Government does not exist but the signals from Assad is that he approves at an unofficial level.

And don't worry, the boots on the ground will arrive, this year in fact. We are ready, and there will be no place to hide in a flat featureless desert.

The quicker these decisions are made, the better.
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