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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Maximus » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:02 am

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Garavnoss wrote:I think it's about time somebody gave IS a bit of credit for their courage, after all, they are facing overwhelming odds and not making too bad a job of antagonizing the mighty forces arrayed against them.


I cant give any credit to these savages because they have a backward ideology, their trying to steal land that does not belong to them and are committing acts of barbarism.

Their too far from being credible to give them any credit.

Are you for real?


They are TRYING to steal land that does not belong to them and committing barbaric acts, therefore they deserve no credit ?.

How does that equate with the barbarism of the Israeli that HAS stolen land that does not belong to them yet receives credit ?.


I will take issue with it.

Israel has not stolen any lands, not in the context you refer to anyway because the State of Israel was formed in 1948 from a UN General Assembly Recommendation for the Partition of British Palestine.

It was the best place for the formation of this State, and let's face it, Jerusalem is their city. Come on, let's be honest here about the real owners and who were the real invaders.

As to other territories, the Palestinians are more than welcome to begin negotiations in good faith.


This discussion is not about Israel stealing land. However, to say that they have not since the state was created is not being honest.

I agree though, their state is in the right geographical location.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:04 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Garavnoss wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Garavnoss wrote:I think it's about time somebody gave IS a bit of credit for their courage, after all, they are facing overwhelming odds and not making too bad a job of antagonizing the mighty forces arrayed against them.


I cant give any credit to these savages because they have a backward ideology, their trying to steal land that does not belong to them and are committing acts of barbarism.

Their too far from being credible to give them any credit.

Are you for real?


They are TRYING to steal land that does not belong to them and committing barbaric acts, therefore they deserve no credit ?.

How does that equate with the barbarism of the Israeli that HAS stolen land that does not belong to them yet receives credit ?.


I will take issue with it.

Israel has not stolen any lands, not in the context you refer to anyway because the State of Israel was formed in 1948 from a UN General Assembly Recommendation for the Partition of British Palestine.

It was the best place for the formation of this State, and let's face it, Jerusalem is their city. Come on, let's be honest here about the real owners and who were the real invaders.

As to other territories, the Palestinians are more than welcome to begin negotiations in good faith.


This discussion is not about Israel stealing land. However, to say that they have not since the state was created is not being honest.

I agree though, their state is in the right geographical location.


The only stolen territories are the Golan Heights, and the illegal settlements in the West Bank. The clear demarcation are the lines as they were drawn by the UN pre 1967. Only your third map is correct.

Your maps are wrong and taken from a propaganda site!
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Maximus » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:07 am

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The only stolen territories are the Golan Heights, and the illegal settlements in the West Bank. The clear demarcation are the lines as they were drawn by the UN pre 1967. Only your second map is correct.

Your maps are wrong and taken from a propaganda site!


choose one to show me or pick one from here; but to say they have not stolen any land is dishonest.

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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:09 am

Maximus wrote:
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The only stolen territories are the Golan Heights, and the illegal settlements in the West Bank. The clear demarcation are the lines as they were drawn by the UN pre 1967. Only your second map is correct.

Your maps are wrong and taken from a propaganda site!


choose one to show me or pick one from here;

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch& ... CAkQ9C8wAA


I just told you. Your third map is correct. The Israelis are ready to negotiate a settlement but certainly not with HAMAS, based on the pre 1967 lines.

I am glad you agree that the Israelis are exactly where they belong and have belonged for thousands of years.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Maximus » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:13 am

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
The only stolen territories are the Golan Heights, and the illegal settlements in the West Bank. The clear demarcation are the lines as they were drawn by the UN pre 1967. Only your second map is correct.

Your maps are wrong and taken from a propaganda site!


choose one to show me or pick one from here;

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch& ... CAkQ9C8wAA


I just told you. Your third map is correct. The Israelis are ready to negotiate a settlement but certainly not with HAMAS.

I am glad you agree that the Israelis are exactly where they belong and have belonged for thousands of years.


Yes but it is dishonest to say that they have not stolen any land. They have and still are. The Israeli government keeps approving new settlements, illegally.

They will probably keep stealing land until only that Gaza strip is left.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:15 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
The only stolen territories are the Golan Heights, and the illegal settlements in the West Bank. The clear demarcation are the lines as they were drawn by the UN pre 1967. Only your second map is correct.

Your maps are wrong and taken from a propaganda site!


choose one to show me or pick one from here;

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch& ... CAkQ9C8wAA


I just told you. Your third map is correct. The Israelis are ready to negotiate a settlement but certainly not with HAMAS.

I am glad you agree that the Israelis are exactly where they belong and have belonged for thousands of years.


Yes but it is dishonest to say that they have not stolen any land. They have and still are. The Israeli government keeps approving new settlements, illegally.

They will probably keep stealing land until only that Gaza strip is left.


I do not believe so. They Arabs started the 1967 war to obliterate Israel and would have pushed them into the Mediterranean Sea.

They lost the war fair and square and as a result, Israel even controlled the Sinai at the time. This fact is missing from your maps as well.

You can't have it both ways I'm afraid.

I challenge the notion that Israel even intended on stealing lands. Let's be honest please.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Maximus » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:27 am

Any Israeli expansion outside of what was mandated and sanctioned by the UN in 1947 is theft from the Palestinians.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:20 am

Maximus wrote:Any Israeli expansion outside of what was mandated and sanctioned by the UN in 1947 is theft from the Palestinians.


The focus is on the 1967 lines I think.

But I agree that Israel should cede a little more territory to the Gaza Strip so that they can have some sustainable agriculture.

There would need to be negotiations and at this time both sides are unwilling.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby miltiades » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:24 am

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Garavnoss wrote:I think it's about time somebody gave IS a bit of credit for their courage, after all, they are facing overwhelming odds and not making too bad a job of antagonizing the mighty forces arrayed against them.


Their courage in antagonizing? Really? Care to expand on why you seem to find this admirable?

And, is this the example you follow in antagonizing Miltiades?




My comments on the courage of the IS were not directed toward their ability to antagonize, clearly they face overwhelming forces arrayed against them and the very fact that they are not intimidated by such a situation is proof of their courage as they fight back.

As to the subject of "Antagonism", I am of the opinion that the objective behind many of the actions which DO seem to antagonize, might well be a ploy intended to goad the opponents of IS into making the mistake of placing "Boots on the Ground" (which seems to be an expression bandied about in high places) which may produce results not so well received by the West.

What we are told of the events taking place wherever the conflicts may be, is not necessarily the truth and, being aware of such, we should all be a little less ready to brand the IS fighters "Cowards" since "Cowards" do not relish a fight.

These people are not afraid of the mighty forces which seek to destroy them, they deserve to be regarded as "Courageous" rather more than their adversaries who can sit before a monitor and fire laser-guided bombs on innocent civilians (along with IS troops), it takes LESS courage to overfly a village and drop bombs from safe altitudes (in case IS have the means to shoot them down).

As to Miltiades, the mere fact that I highlight my opinion that IS may have some degree of courage, antagonizes him to such a degree that HE assumes that I must be one of the Jihadists, a very foolish and insulting person who thoroughly deserves to be "Antagonized".

You are a passionate supporter of the savages whom you consider as courageous, I must also conclude that you consider other vermin such as suicide bombers who blow their filthy selves up in Mosques, markets, funeral processions, on buses, in restaurants and public places as well as BokoFuckharam who enter a school and murder young children. I can also assume that you find other anomalous disgusting acts equally courageous, perhaps you also consider the Nazis courageous, after all they faced an overwhelming number of nations opposing them.

You belong to a class of individuals that I consider, and rightly so, as educated fools bereft of even the slightest amount of logical sense.

ISIS have been referred to as barbarians by the entire Islamic world, they, ISIS , are a massive blemish on their religion and on muslims in general.

I desist entering into a meaningful debate with scum like you just as I would blemish the idea of debating the merits of paedophilia or other abominable acts as such advocates and exponents of such acts deserve no more than FUCK OFF !
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby miltiades » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:58 am

http://gulfnews.com/news/region/iraq/da ... -1.1460330
It takes a lot of .....courage to carry out this abominable savage act !!!!
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