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Re: Planet Eroglu

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:15 pm

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Give us an example, removed from whos reality? yours?


Yes, VP. The difference between the West and Turkey is we (and I mean the West in general) think in terms of “reason,” “logic,” “arguments,” “truth,” and “facts”. Whereas Turks have little concept of reality deriving from facts and logic. Here is an illustration of what it's like for a Westerner dealing with the utter irrationality of Turks:

Not only is truth here [in Turkey] derived from emotion, but the emotions themselves are more intense and more transitory. Arguing a mild difference of opinion by screaming and threatening would come across to Westerners as weak at best, lunatic at worst. Not here. No shame attaches to displays of anger that in the West would result in the issuance of restraining orders... The utter irrationality of Turks—and the utter uselessness, for them, of our Western notions of truth and logic—are points Americans won’t grasp unless they’ve lived here quite some time—and even then they won’t grasp them, because they make no sense.

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/arti ... ign-policy


So what you are saying is that because Turks have a temper they are removed from the truth, every nation has its peculiarities, its like saying people with a stutter cannot be doctors, so you being a GCs and classed as an ignorant peasant means you are detached from reality......uhhhhh dumb.

Now be more specific about which part of what Eroğlu is saying which is not reality.
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Re: Planet Eroglu

Postby Demonax » Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:50 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
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Give us an example, removed from whos reality? yours?


Yes, VP. The difference between the West and Turkey is we (and I mean the West in general) think in terms of “reason,” “logic,” “arguments,” “truth,” and “facts”. Whereas Turks have little concept of reality deriving from facts and logic. Here is an illustration of what it's like for a Westerner dealing with the utter irrationality of Turks:

Not only is truth here [in Turkey] derived from emotion, but the emotions themselves are more intense and more transitory. Arguing a mild difference of opinion by screaming and threatening would come across to Westerners as weak at best, lunatic at worst. Not here. No shame attaches to displays of anger that in the West would result in the issuance of restraining orders... The utter irrationality of Turks—and the utter uselessness, for them, of our Western notions of truth and logic—are points Americans won’t grasp unless they’ve lived here quite some time—and even then they won’t grasp them, because they make no sense.

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/arti ... ign-policy


So what you are saying is that because Turks have a temper they are removed from the truth, every nation has its peculiarities, its like saying people with a stutter cannot be doctors, so you being a GCs and classed as an ignorant peasant means you are detached from reality......uhhhhh dumb.

Now be more specific about which part of what Eroğlu is saying which is not reality.


You missed the point that Claire Belinsky was making. Which is that from her experience as a Western journalist living in Turkey, that Turks are fundamentally irrational and have no concept of reason, logic or truth as those in the West conceive of it. She thinks that by not having a concept of truth based on reason or logic, Turks think truth is what they say it is. A completely accurate description from my experience.

Which brings us to Eroglu: a typically deluded and paranoid Turkish fantasist who thinks if he repeats his nonsense often enough it becomes truthful. It's really better not to feed and indulge such fantasies. Just walk on by, as they say.
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Re: Planet Eroglu

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Re: Planet Eroglu

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:10 pm

Demonax wrote:
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Give us an example, removed from whos reality? yours?


Yes, VP. The difference between the West and Turkey is we (and I mean the West in general) think in terms of “reason,” “logic,” “arguments,” “truth,” and “facts”. Whereas Turks have little concept of reality deriving from facts and logic. Here is an illustration of what it's like for a Westerner dealing with the utter irrationality of Turks:

Not only is truth here [in Turkey] derived from emotion, but the emotions themselves are more intense and more transitory. Arguing a mild difference of opinion by screaming and threatening would come across to Westerners as weak at best, lunatic at worst. Not here. No shame attaches to displays of anger that in the West would result in the issuance of restraining orders... The utter irrationality of Turks—and the utter uselessness, for them, of our Western notions of truth and logic—are points Americans won’t grasp unless they’ve lived here quite some time—and even then they won’t grasp them, because they make no sense.

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/arti ... ign-policy


So what you are saying is that because Turks have a temper they are removed from the truth, every nation has its peculiarities, its like saying people with a stutter cannot be doctors, so you being a GCs and classed as an ignorant peasant means you are detached from reality......uhhhhh dumb.

Now be more specific about which part of what Eroğlu is saying which is not reality.


You missed the point that Claire Belinsky was making. Which is that from her experience as a Western journalist living in Turkey, that Turks are fundamentally irrational and have no concept of reason, logic or truth as those in the West conceive of it. She thinks that by not having a concept of truth based on reason or logic, Turks think truth is what they say it is. A completely accurate description from my experience.

Which brings us to Eroglu: a typically deluded and paranoid Turkish fantasist who thinks if he repeats his nonsense often enough it becomes truthful. It's really better not to feed and indulge such fantasies. Just walk on by, as they say.


Why is it so difficult for you to be specific? Broad sweeping statements Show there is no real substance to your reasoning or arguements.
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Re: Planet Eroglu

Postby Demonax » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:30 pm

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Why is it so difficult for you to be specific? Broad sweeping statements Show there is no real substance to your reasoning or arguements.


Doh! :D
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Re: Planet Eroglu

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:36 pm

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Why is it so difficult for you to be specific? Broad sweeping statements Show there is no real substance to your reasoning or arguements.


Doh! :D


Expected from you, give us a few precise examples of what Eroğlu said that falls into the catagory of being removed from reality, Who knows we may even agree.
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Re: Planet Eroglu

Postby Demonax » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:46 am

Viewpoint wrote:
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Why is it so difficult for you to be specific? Broad sweeping statements Show there is no real substance to your reasoning or arguements.


Doh! :D


Expected from you, give us a few precise examples of what Eroğlu said that falls into the catagory of being removed from reality, Who knows we may even agree.


Eroglu is himself removed from reality. He is a pseudo-leader of a pseudo-state. He doesn't exist in any reality except as a figment of his own imagination. The very idea of Eroglu is a fantasy. He might as well be a unicorn. Discussing what Eroglu thinks or says is like discussing the musings of an imaginary creature. It's not a sensible way for reasonable men to carry on.
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Re: Planet Eroglu

Postby Viewpoint » Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:28 am

Demonax wrote:
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Demonax wrote:
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Why is it so difficult for you to be specific? Broad sweeping statements Show there is no real substance to your reasoning or arguements.


Doh! :D


Expected from you, give us a few precise examples of what Eroğlu said that falls into the catagory of being removed from reality, Who knows we may even agree.


Eroglu is himself removed from reality. He is a pseudo-leader of a pseudo-state. He doesn't exist in any reality except as a figment of his own imagination. The very idea of Eroglu is a fantasy. He might as well be a unicorn. Discussing what Eroglu thinks or says is like discussing the musings of an imaginary creature. It's not a sensible way for reasonable men to carry on.


So your leader having to meet with Eroğlu in order to find a solution and the TCs new and old having 50% say in any future solution are a figment of our imagination....man you people need help. The TRNC may not be internationally recognized but it exsists just look to the north of the island every morning when you are going to work.
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Re: Planet Eroglu

Postby Demonax » Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:18 pm

Viewpoint wrote:The TRNC may not be internationally recognized but it exsists just look to the north of the island every morning when you are going to work.


Recognition is everything, VP. Secession is only as good as recognition. Without it no state can exist. When I look across the divide there is no country called the 'trnc' only the occupied Republic of Cyprus. That is what I see and that is what international law says I see. Anything else is just a figment of Turkish brutality.
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Re: Planet Eroglu

Postby Viewpoint » Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:13 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:The TRNC may not be internationally recognized but it exsists just look to the north of the island every morning when you are going to work.


Recognition is everything, VP. Secession is only as good as recognition. Without it no state can exist. When I look across the divide there is no country called the 'trnc' only the occupied Republic of Cyprus. That is what I see and that is what international law says I see. Anything else is just a figment of Turkish brutality.


Recognition is not everything, look at those countries in conflict right now, Palastine, Ukraine and Syria, peace is everything knowing you will not be killed in your bed is everything, knowing no bombs will drop on you is everything, would you rather by like Syria that a divided peaceful tranquil Cyprus? You really need to get your priorities rights before and get "internationl law" to give you back what you have lost, to date you have not gotten back one inch of land nor has one Turkish Soldier or new generation TCs to leave the island, thats how far you laws have gotten you. Look north, call it what you want but it changes nothing, you need to understand that no amount of recognition can replace the peaceful exsistence we enjoy today.
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