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What if the ottomans converted all greeks to islam

Postby Mustiejodu » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:43 pm

The GC s under ottoman rule for 400 years is surprising that you are still Christian with greek cultural influence . How did you manage to keep your culture and your language and religion ? The Bosnians were converted to islam so what happened to the greeks . What a big mistake the ottomans had done
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Re: What if the ottomans converted all greeks to islam

Postby Get Real! » Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:40 pm

The dislike of each other’s religion was mutual so neither wanted anything to do with the other and that’s why it survived!

Inter-religious marriages were strictly forbidden and any pregnancies from inter-religious copulation (consensual or otherwise) were quickly aborted.
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Re: What if the ottomans converted all greeks to islam

Postby kurupetos » Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:08 pm

Mustiejodu wrote:The GC s under ottoman rule for 400 years is surprising that you are still Christian with greek cultural influence . How did you manage to keep your culture and your language and religion ? The Bosnians were converted to islam so what happened to the greeks . What a big mistake the ottomans had done

The Ottomans needed slaves. BTW some GCs, like Lordo's family, converted to Islam to avoid tax.

The last thing the Ottomans wanted was every Christian to convert to Islam. :wink:
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Re: What if the ottomans converted all greeks to islam

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:27 am

Like Kuru said, they would have been (even more) stupid to convert all Greeks to islam than they were, because then there would be fewer bright brains around and the world would die out.

It's like rats and lions. Very few lions (Greeks, ~20 Million worldwide) but plenty of rats ...

[And, GR! is correct too; there were far fewer mixed offspring than TCs would like us to believe and the more recent genetics will be demonstrating that.)
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Re: What if the ottomans converted all greeks to islam

Postby Get Real! » Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:41 pm

kurupetos wrote:BTW some GCs, like Lordo's family, converted to Islam to avoid tax.

And now in Londonistan, Lordo converted to ISIS to avoid tax yet again! :lol:
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Re: What if the ottomans converted all greeks to islam

Postby kurupetos » Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:09 pm

Get Real! wrote:
kurupetos wrote:BTW some GCs, like Lordo's family, converted to Islam to avoid tax.

And now in Londonistan, Lordo converted to ISIS to avoid tax yet again! :lol:

Lordo is a hamolios :lol: ...but I still like him because he's my cousin. :cry:
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Re: What if the ottomans converted all greeks to islam

Postby kurupetos » Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:18 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Like Kuru said, they would have been (even more) stupid to convert all Greeks to islam than they were, because then there would be fewer bright brains around and the world would die out.

It's like rats and lions. Very few lions (Greeks, ~20 Million worldwide) but plenty of rats ...

[And, GR! is correct too; there were far fewer mixed offspring than TCs would like us to believe and the more recent genetics will be demonstrating that.)

Also, some TCs became Christians again in the early 20th century, but the filthy Brits threatened the Church not to take them back, so that they could enforce divide and rule policy. :evil:

- Η βρετανική διοίκηση, για πολιτικούς λόγους, όχι μονό δεν ενεθάρρυνε την επάνοδο των Λινοβαμβάκων, αλλά τουναντίον έπραξε ότι ήτο δυνατόν για να την αποθαρρύνει. Βασικό εμπόδιο ήταν η γραφειοκρατία.

http://www.churchofcyprus.org.cy/articl ... cleID=1140
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Re: What if the ottomans converted all greeks to islam

Postby Nikitas » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:32 pm

No infidels no taxes, so not much chance of converting everyone.

The fascinating historic FACT is the existence of numerous TCs, sometimes whole villages who did not speak any Turkish at all. Denktash was the one who came up with the fine for speaking Greek.

And the question arises: why would members of the conquering community, who had the upper hand for centuries, adopt the language of a the second rate community who were taxed, refused equal status in the courts and presumably were no role models for the invaders. Was this some kind of reverse conversion? Were these linovamvakoi? Something else?

I had TC friends in London who would often ask one another what a certain Greek word was in Turkish, when asked they said they were first generation Turkish speakers and their parents and grandparents spoke Greek. They both came from the same village near Limassol but I forget which one.
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Re: What if the ottomans converted all greeks to islam

Postby Lordo » Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:08 am

kurupetos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
kurupetos wrote:BTW some GCs, like Lordo's family, converted to Islam to avoid tax.

And now in Londonistan, Lordo converted to ISIS to avoid tax yet again! :lol:

Lordo is a hamolios :lol: ...but I still like him because he's my cousin. :cry:

dje esuni ise ena gondo gamilos. tu
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Re: What if the ottomans converted all greeks to islam

Postby kurupetos » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:53 am

Nikitas wrote:No infidels no taxes, so not much chance of converting everyone.

The fascinating historic FACT is the existence of numerous TCs, sometimes whole villages who did not speak any Turkish at all. Denktash was the one who came up with the fine for speaking Greek.

And the question arises: why would members of the conquering community, who had the upper hand for centuries, adopt the language of a the second rate community who were taxed, refused equal status in the courts and presumably were no role models for the invaders. Was this some kind of reverse conversion? Were these linovamvakoi? Something else?

I had TC friends in London who would often ask one another what a certain Greek word was in Turkish, when asked they said they were first generation Turkish speakers and their parents and grandparents spoke Greek. They both came from the same village near Limassol but I forget which one.

I feel pity for them for converting to Islam, but I also feel proud for my ancestors, who resisted the temptation and remained Hellenes and Christian Orthodox. 8)
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