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Turkey - no longer a suitable guarantor for Turkish Cypriots

Postby Demonax » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:56 pm

Turkish Cypriot lawyer argues that it's time for the TC community to accept that the EU is the only suitable guarantor for a solution:

Where is Turkey going: thinking the unthinkable

Mainland Turkish presence and influence in north Cyprus is ubiquitous and unregulated. Turkey intervened in Cyprus in 1974 in accordance with the Treaty of Guarantee ostensibly to safeguard the independence of Cyprus but in truth to reassert Turkish strategic interests and safeguard the security of the Turkish Cypriots. That was then. Now many Turkish Cypriots are extremely concerned about the appearance of extremist Islam in Turkey and the possibility of Turkey's realignment away from the West. They do not regard President Erdoğan's Turkey with the same respect and affection as they did the secular Turkey of Atatürk which they feel is being deliberately eroded by the present government in Turkey.

President Erdoğan has compelled Turkish Cypriots to think the unthinkable about what would happen if Turkey became an extremist religious country and unsuitable to act as a guarantor power. Not many people remember the Treaty of Guarantee between Turkey and Cyprus. The other state parties are Britain and Greece. Under the agreement each of the guarantor powers has the right to take remedial action in the event of a breach of the treaty. The breach that occurred in 1974 was an attempt by Greek army officers to unite Cyprus with Greece, which is expressly prohibited by the treaty. The right of the three guarantor powers to take military action is controversial. It was included as a result of the delicately balanced independence arrangements that enabled Cyprus to become independent in 1960 and was designed to avoid union with Greece by the Greek Cypriots and partition by the Turkish Cypriots.

The treaty is recognized by the UN and has to be read in a way that is consistent with the UN Charter. Military action under the Treaty of Guarantee is permissible to preserve the independence of Cyprus in the context of the right to self-defense or a request based on self-defense. In the context of those restrictions on the use of force under the UN Charter, the Treaty of Guarantee is of procedural rather than substantive importance. Its existence concentrates the mind against any attempt at union or partition and imposes an obligation on the guarantors to consult and seek concerted action before acting unilaterally. Otherwise the treaty does not authorize any of the guarantor powers to use force over and above what is authorized by the UN Charter.

After World War II the system of security based on guarantees is outmoded and not relevant in a world order based on a permanent peace rather than periods of peace between wars. If the Turkish Cypriots manage to sort out the Cyprus problem within the structures and institutions of the EU, their security will cease to be an issue and the need for guarantees will be obsolete. After all, most of the countries in the EU fought two world wars, often on opposite sides, and yet do not need guarantees because their best guarantee is membership of the EU itself.

The founding fathers of the EU set it up to prevent war, and whatever its faults in this respect the EU has been a spectacular success. But for the Turkish Cypriots the EU is also the best example of the meaning of political equality, a principle President Rauf Denktaş tried to persuade the Greek Cypriots about since 1960. So the tension in Turkey between secularism and religion is also an opportunity. Sometimes thinking the unthinkable is no bad thing.

- Alper Ali Rıza, QC, of Goldsmith Chambers, London, is a barrister and freelance writer.


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Re: Turkey - no longer a suitable guarantor for Turkish Cypr

Postby Lordo » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:33 pm

its time you for you to get a life. tcs can work out who their best guarantor is without your help. when it comes to the eu they could not guranty their own ass never mind anybody elses. i never laughed so much for years. keep them comin but a word fo advice, keep your day job son.

I have met ali riza. he is half greek half terggish and cannot speak a word of greek or terggish. i wonder how many tcs he spoke to before coming to such conclusions.
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Re: Turkey - no longer a suitable guarantor for Turkish Cypr

Postby B25 » Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:00 pm

Lordo wrote:when it comes to the eu they could not guranty their own ass never mind anybody elses.


Totally agree! They are a waste of F skin.
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Re: Turkey - no longer a suitable guarantor for Turkish Cypr

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:36 pm

...there is a value in the Flag of Cyprus, which Turkey's leadership seems to be blind to. If it is asked of Cypriots to divide their country between "Turks", and not "Turks", "Turks" should do well to remember that the Turkey they live in, flies the Flag of Turkey, which is neither "Turkic", or "Kurd".


my reply in Zaman.

...thanks, Demonax
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Re: Turkey - no longer a suitable guarantor for Turkish Cypr

Postby halil » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:59 am

Let the Turkish Cypriots to decide.....suitable or not suitable......every year public opinions are publishing....follow the result....before you are speaking for the name of the Turkish Cypriots.

we have seen the UN.....EU and others since 1963.......
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Re: Turkey - no longer a suitable guarantor for Turkish Cypr

Postby Lordo » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:50 am

rw flags have nothing to do with it. it is a piece of rag hanging on a pole. tcs will tell you who they would like to be their guarantor and you have the same prerogative for your guarantor. by all means select the eu but as we are not in the eu and have been kept out of it since 2004, you can hardly expect tcs to have any respect or trust for the eu. especially now that they gave groc haircut by forcing her to rob its own population. thanks but no thanks. we no longer wish to be part of eu. terggy will do fine.
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Re: Turkey - no longer a suitable guarantor for Turkish Cypr

Postby Nikitas » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:20 pm

Easy way to prove you reject Eu, surrender those RoC passports you people get to travel freely with no visa in the EU. Put your money where your mouth is. As your fellow TCs if they want to give up their RoC passports and then tell us what they say. I get the feeling their response starts with the letters FO.
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Re: Turkey - no longer a suitable guarantor for Turkish Cypr

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:21 pm

...flags are rags therefore, that "Turks" ("Greeks" not unlike them) murder for. i am saying if the Flag of Turkey is a rag, in your terms, that the Flag of Cyprus deserves the same respect by the leadership bent on its denial, neither flag represents "Turks", Kurds, Greeks, or (Cypriot) "Turks". both flags represent the same Freedom, and the same Universal Principals (Erdogan is stepping on). Turkey's foreign policy makes no sense unless you believe Cyprus "belongs" to Turkey, and it is "they" who are giving up a part.

...the only guarantor is each other Lordo, and if the EU, Turkey and the other States that make up our little world are still there when we die, that is a nice thing. take my advice, don't be fooled, Cyprus exists, so do Cypriots, the world is not made up of "Turks", and not "Turks", we are bigger than that, we choose, and it is Love that is the power that's infinite, we are Human beings; and especially because flags are rags, say it, I may be Turkish but i am no "Turk", i hate "Greeks" as much as i know Greeks do, Ignorance is my enemy, not each other, I love Cyprus, I will love Cyprus first.
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Re: Turkey - no longer a suitable guarantor for Turkish Cypr

Postby Lordo » Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:59 pm

Nikitas wrote:Easy way to prove you reject Eu, surrender those RoC passports you people get to travel freely with no visa in the EU. Put your money where your mouth is. As your fellow TCs if they want to give up their RoC passports and then tell us what they say. I get the feeling their response starts with the letters FO.

not while you hold a single acre of tc land. not on your life.
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