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Postby tsukoui » Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:00 pm

I was recently searching for which Gods of ancient Greece were black in colour. Zeus apparently, but I came across a whole lot more than I bargained for. Reading the Afro-Centricists I was struck by something. It is not that what they say is wrong, rather that it is the complete antithesis to Euro-Centricists history. For the Euro-Centricists history is one great progression which is becoming undone and which we have to get back to, for the Afro-Centricists history is one great regression which urgently needs to be reversed. Complete opposites. And we, being Greeks and Turks (not to mention Maronites and others) are somewhere in between. We are left to find the middle ground, to sort out the synthesis since two opposites must eventually find synthesis. Is it a tragedy or an honour I wonder?
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Re: History...

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:00 pm

Tsukoi, the idea that Greeks were black was a myth created by the Romans when they wanted to destroy something Greek which would be revered back at home and so they made it seem 'foreign' so there would be less opposition. It was done with great success by making Cleopatra appear Egyptian rather than Greek so that she could be captured and demonized without the Romans appearing like hypocrites in wanting to be like the Greeks. So at different points, different Greek things were portrayed by the Romans as black or African so that they could destroy them and create their own versions. Historians have dined out on this Roman-habit (copied recently by FYROM-ishes) for a long time now. Don't bother with it. Boring!
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Re: History...

Postby tsukoui » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:49 am

You're right, this obsession with skin colour is boring. I've never heard the Roman angle before. It's interesting. But I wouldn't write off the connection with Africa either. It is clear from the pottery that the relationship with Africa was one of respect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-figure_pottery This says nothing of the skin colour of the actual Greeks, as I said, such a question is boring, but it does show that they were happy to be portrayed in black, showing a much more nuanced appreciation of people by the ancients, something sadly lacking in both the Afro-Centricists and the Euro-Centricists. The question is, is blaming it all on the Romans what Christ would have done? Note, I am not pushing for reconciliation between Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism. Some splits still have unanswered questions. To some people Euro-Centricists vs Afro-Centricists also still has unanswered questions. To some people Cyprus still has unanswered questions... where are we heading? Can we have spirituality without history? No. Can we learn from history's mistakes all at once? No. Can we chose which of history's mistakes to learn from a what time? If not, why not?
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Re: History...

Postby Paphitis » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:52 am

tsukoui wrote:You're right, this obsession with skin colour is boring. I've never heard the Roman angle before. It's interesting. But I wouldn't write off the connection with Africa either. It is clear from the pottery that the relationship with Africa was one of respect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-figure_pottery This says nothing of the skin colour of the actual Greeks, as I said, such a question is boring, but it does show that they were happy to be portrayed in black, showing a much more nuanced appreciation of people by the ancients, something sadly lacking in both the Afro-Centricists and the Euro-Centricists. The question is, is blaming it all on the Romans what Christ would have done? Note, I am not pushing for reconciliation between Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism. Some splits still have unanswered questions. To some people Euro-Centricists vs Afro-Centricists also still has unanswered questions. To some people Cyprus still has unanswered questions... where are we heading? Can we have spirituality without history? No. Can we learn from history's mistakes all at once? No. Can we chose which of history's mistakes to learn from a what time? If not, why not?


Every race on the planet has a connection with Africa, including the Angles and Saxons, Germanic Tribes, Vikings and Normans.

If there is reconciliation between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, I will hate Orthodoxy even more.

In Ancient Times, Africa had a great Civilization (Egypt) which predated the Greeks but was just as impressive. Now, if you go to Egypt, such Civilization has been relegated to the distant past even more so than Greece (sadly of course).

There is very little to connect Africa with European society these days other than posing an illegal immigration problem to Italy, Germany, Sweden, France, and the UK.
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Re: History...

Postby tsukoui » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:59 am

Paphitis wrote:
tsukoui wrote:You're right, this obsession with skin colour is boring. I've never heard the Roman angle before. It's interesting. But I wouldn't write off the connection with Africa either. It is clear from the pottery that the relationship with Africa was one of respect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-figure_pottery This says nothing of the skin colour of the actual Greeks, as I said, such a question is boring, but it does show that they were happy to be portrayed in black, showing a much more nuanced appreciation of people by the ancients, something sadly lacking in both the Afro-Centricists and the Euro-Centricists. The question is, is blaming it all on the Romans what Christ would have done? Note, I am not pushing for reconciliation between Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism. Some splits still have unanswered questions. To some people Euro-Centricists vs Afro-Centricists also still has unanswered questions. To some people Cyprus still has unanswered questions... where are we heading? Can we have spirituality without history? No. Can we learn from history's mistakes all at once? No. Can we chose which of history's mistakes to learn from a what time? If not, why not?


Every race on the planet has a connection with Africa, including the Angles and Saxons, Germanic Tribes, Vikings and Normans.


So we are waiting for Africa to learn from it's mistakes, is that Christian? Is that, dare I say it, Jewish? What would MELCHIZEDEK have done?
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Re: History...

Postby Paphitis » Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:01 am

tsukoui wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
tsukoui wrote:You're right, this obsession with skin colour is boring. I've never heard the Roman angle before. It's interesting. But I wouldn't write off the connection with Africa either. It is clear from the pottery that the relationship with Africa was one of respect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-figure_pottery This says nothing of the skin colour of the actual Greeks, as I said, such a question is boring, but it does show that they were happy to be portrayed in black, showing a much more nuanced appreciation of people by the ancients, something sadly lacking in both the Afro-Centricists and the Euro-Centricists. The question is, is blaming it all on the Romans what Christ would have done? Note, I am not pushing for reconciliation between Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism. Some splits still have unanswered questions. To some people Euro-Centricists vs Afro-Centricists also still has unanswered questions. To some people Cyprus still has unanswered questions... where are we heading? Can we have spirituality without history? No. Can we learn from history's mistakes all at once? No. Can we chose which of history's mistakes to learn from a what time? If not, why not?


Every race on the planet has a connection with Africa, including the Angles and Saxons, Germanic Tribes, Vikings and Normans.


So we are waiting for Africa to learn from it's mistakes, is that Christian? Is that, dare I say it, Jewish? What would MELCHIZEDEK have done?


What mistakes? They have a continent and they need to develop it and move forward.
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Re: History...

Postby tsukoui » Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:18 am

I was in the middle of chatting up an English girl when I started this thread and immediately pulled an African Muslim as well. Now I'm stuck on who to choose. I don't know how Milti does it? :?
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Re: History...

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:45 pm

tsukoui wrote:I was in the middle of chatting up an English girl when I started this thread and immediately pulled an African Muslim as well. Now I'm stuck on who to choose. I don't know how Milti does it? :?


Choose the Muslim as Islam supports polygyny, and the English (really?) girl might not be too fussy. :P
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Re: History...

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:01 pm

Is this by any chance the Afro-centrist revisionist site http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Minoan_Greece_2.htm

Some of the Artefacts they rely upon are evidently pre-Roman, by many hundreds of years.... I nevertheless remain to be convinced...
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Re: History...

Postby Cap » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:29 pm

Ancient Egyptians were not Sub Saharan Africans.
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