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[Paphitis]

So now the atheists here are moving the goalposts by saying that even if science discovers the exact cause of the creation of the universe, it will not be worthy of our respect because we are at the same level anyway!

Methinks some people’s pride is getting in the way…

Science is already worthy of our respect but it is not a divine power.

[Tim Drayton]

The big bang does not necessarily have to be a singularity that even merits explanation by creation myths. Many physicists postulate the existence of a multiverse in which there are many, or even an infinite number of, universes. Within the multiverse hypothesis, the big bang leading to the formation of any one universe does not constitute a singularity any more, but part of the workings of the multiverse in which individual universes are formed and then come to an end. It is possible to speculate that a single universe goes through a constant process where it is formed and then expands until it eventually implodes on itself, with all of its mass compressed in an infinitely small space, ready for the next big bang. This is all idle speculation, but so is the assertion that the universe must have been created and so must have a creator.

[Paphitis]

The big bang does not necessarily have to be a singularity that even merits explanation by creation myths. Many physicists postulate the existence of a multiverse in which there are many, or even an infinite number of, universes. Within the multiverse hypothesis, the big bang leading to the formation of any one universe does not constitute a singularity any more, but part of the workings of the multiverse in which individual universes are formed and then come to an end. It is possible to speculate that a single universe goes through a constant process where it is formed and then expands until it eventually implodes on itself, with all of its mass compressed in an infinitely small space, ready for the next big bang. This is all idle speculation, but so is the assertion that the universe must have been created and so must have a creator.

Which also means the Big Bang that created our universe was not the first and no doubt there will be more.

[Maximus]

I believe in the science and I also believe in god.

Make of it what you will.

That's fine. You're open to the possibility at least that you're wrong.

You are already questioning which is a very healthy thing to do if you believe in the science.

Don't let them spoon feed you.

But are you Paphitis open to the possibility that science cannot answer the question and perhaps you are wrong?

[Paphitis]

I believe in the science and I also believe in god.

Make of it what you will.

That's fine. You're open to the possibility at least that you're wrong.

You are already questioning which is a very healthy thing to do if you believe in the science.

Don't let them spoon feed you.

But are you Paphitis open to the possibility that science cannot answer the question and perhaps you are wrong?

Of course!

Atheists are always open to all possibilities. There is always an element of Agnosticism unless your a fundamentalist Atheist and there are not many of those because we are generally the questioning and inquisitive types.

But you must understand that these possibilities do not result in a free reign in coming up with false premises which we are not allowed to dissect and put to the test.

You are better off saying that you do not know what or who created the universe and look at all the possibilities and explore for more information. This is what science does.

[Get Real!]

The big bang does not necessarily have to be a singularity that even merits explanation by creation myths. Many physicists postulate the existence of a multiverse in which there are many, or even an infinite number of, universes. Within the multiverse hypothesis, the big bang leading to the formation of any one universe does not constitute a singularity any more, but part of the workings of the multiverse in which individual universes are formed and then come to an end. It is possible to speculate that a single universe goes through a constant process where it is formed and then expands until it eventually implodes on itself, with all of its mass compressed in an infinitely small space, ready for the next big bang. This is all idle speculation, but so is the assertion that the universe must have been created and so must have a creator.

I think people like you are happy to go along with anything that doesn’t undermine your (assumed) supremeness!

That’s always been the problem with Man… assuming they’re hot shit!

Your inability to properly evaluate Mortality vs Immortality is what keeps you in the dark.

[Maximus]

I believe in the science and I also believe in god.

Make of it what you will.

That's fine. You're open to the possibility at least that you're wrong.

You are already questioning which is a very healthy thing to do if you believe in the science.

Don't let them spoon feed you.

But are you Paphitis open to the possibility that science cannot answer the question and perhaps you are wrong?

Of course!

Atheists are always open to all possibilities. There is always an element of Agnosticism unless your a fundamentalist Atheist and there are not many of those because we are generally the questioning and inquisitive types.

But you must understand that these possibilities do not result in a free reign in coming up with false premises which we are not allowed to dissect and put to the test.

You are better off saying that you do not know what or who created the universe and look at all the possibilities and explore for more information. This is what science does.

Right,

what GR is saying, which I also agree with is that whatever science discovers, whatever label science puts on it, that is god.

[Paphitis]

I believe in the science and I also believe in god.

Make of it what you will.

That's fine. You're open to the possibility at least that you're wrong.

You are already questioning which is a very healthy thing to do if you believe in the science.

Don't let them spoon feed you.

But are you Paphitis open to the possibility that science cannot answer the question and perhaps you are wrong?

Of course!

Atheists are always open to all possibilities. There is always an element of Agnosticism unless your a fundamentalist Atheist and there are not many of those because we are generally the questioning and inquisitive types.

But you must understand that these possibilities do not result in a free reign in coming up with false premises which we are not allowed to dissect and put to the test.

You are better off saying that you do not know what or who created the universe and look at all the possibilities and explore for more information. This is what science does.

Right,

what GR is saying, which I also agree with is that whatever science discovers, whatever label science puts on it, that is god.

No GR believes in a divine creator with no questions asked. A false premise. His mind is closed.

His life is one of servitude. He is a servant. A serf!

[repulsewarrior]

...rocks sing, too!

[Get Real!]

what GR is saying, which I also agree with is that whatever science discovers, whatever label science puts on it, that is god.

Exactly! The label we will give it will be man-made and therefore irrelevant.

So why not get on with it today and acknowledge that “magical ingredient” now?

Why wait for Man’s label to be applied?