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Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:20 pm

...it is a small stir that is as possible as a pipeline from Turkey, to Cyprus, with water. geo-politically however, it is very inviting, and it shows a natural commitment which will supply security, as well as energy long after the fields explored at present are expired. Cyprus as a broker for Middle-Eastern gaz will keep Turkey honest, as she vies to be the biggest supplier of this energy through pipelines. while the declarations at Cairo are at their advent, these proposals bode well so soon after, as it implies that a dialog is already well underway.

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/energy/israel-formally-propose-gas-pipeline-eu-310245

Israel to formally propose gas pipeline to EU
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Postby Oceanside50 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:41 pm

Turkey will have a part of neither, no water pipeline and no lng pipeline.. It reminds me of a Cypriot saying.." Ginos pou thely ta polla xani jai ta lea""".
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Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:19 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:.... Cyprus as a broker for Middle-Eastern gaz will keep Turkey honest ...


Really? Keep? You think Turkey is honest? :roll:

Sloppy people ...
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Re: ...an umbilical chord to Europe, to mimic a phrase

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:38 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:.... Cyprus as a broker for Middle-Eastern gaz will keep Turkey honest ...


Really? Keep? You think Turkey is honest? :roll:

Sloppy people ...


...i won't nitpick if Turkey is or is not an honest broker, having Cyprus as a broker will keep Turkey honest.
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Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:47 pm

And your learned opinion is based on what, may I inquire?
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Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:13 am

...it is a simple observation; competition, not just 'lowest price' has a benefit, for Europe, and for the Middle East, stronger, (new), and more direct links are formed. such a pipeline, from Israel and other parts to Cyprus, then on to Greece and Italy, produces capacity on many different levels, although its apparent cost is higher than a route through Turkey, there is the risk that what happened in the Ukraine will happen again, without other alternatives. Turkey may remain the biggest, as a transporter of this vital supply, but the question remains, how big is big?

@oceanside, yes the water will pay reparations, and for the opportunity to be one of many buyers.
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Postby Oceanside50 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:46 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...it is a simple observation; competition, not just 'lowest price' has a benefit, for Europe, and for the Middle East, stronger, (new), and more direct links are formed. such a pipeline, from Israel and other parts to Cyprus, then on to Greece and Italy, produces capacity on many different levels, although its apparent cost is higher than a route through Turkey, there is the risk that what happened in the Ukraine will happen again, without other alternatives. Turkey may remain the biggest, as a transporter of this vital supply, but the question remains, how big is big?

@oceanside, yes the water will pay reparations, and for the opportunity to be one of many buyers.


RW...there is no water., but lots and lots of gas . Taiwan , Hong Kong , sSingaporecome into the picture as Cgood as Hunan chicken doesso does the lamb kebab.. :wink:
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Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:47 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...it is a simple observation; competition, not just 'lowest price' has a benefit, for Europe, and for the Middle East, stronger, (new), and more direct links are formed. such a pipeline, from Israel and other parts to Cyprus, then on to Greece and Italy, produces capacity on many different levels, although its apparent cost is higher than a route through Turkey, there is the risk that what happened in the Ukraine will happen again, without other alternatives. Turkey may remain the biggest, as a transporter of this vital supply, but the question remains, how big is big?

@oceanside, yes the water will pay reparations, and for the opportunity to be one of many buyers.


RW...there is no water., but lots and lots of gas . Taiwan , Hong Kong , sSingaporecome into the picture as Cgood as Hunan chicken doesso does the lamb kebab.. :wink:


...sadly, you may be right, there may be much less water to go about and just be glad it's there. but, Turkey owes a big bit of Good Will to demonstrate in Cyprus, indeed by recognising that there is a big difference between "Turks", and Turks, (indeed, recognising that there is a difference between "Greeks" and Greeks), paying the bill for the pipeline, with no strings attached so to speak would mean giving the water to the Republic to use for the benefit of all its Citizens, recognising that above Constituencies a State exists, that Cyprus and Cypriots exist. such a gift could be given and accepted; Turkey benefits having an ally like Cyprus, and Cyprus can find itself with a good ally too.

...in any case, there is a demand for this gaz, another possible pipeline proposed brings it to Egypt, another to Jordan, for example. there are choices, where Turkey has no influence, intentionally or not, because, in effect, she has little to trade.
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Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:05 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...it is a simple observation; competition, not just 'lowest price' has a benefit, for Europe, and for the Middle East, stronger, (new), and more direct links are formed. such a pipeline, from Israel and other parts to Cyprus, then on to Greece and Italy, produces capacity on many different levels, although its apparent cost is higher than a route through Turkey, there is the risk that what happened in the Ukraine will happen again, without other alternatives. Turkey may remain the biggest, as a transporter of this vital supply, but the question remains, how big is big?


I asked you on what you based your opinion that Turkey is "honest". I'm not interested in your economic appraisal of benefiting the Turks, nor the future of the Ukraine!

Now, do you have some reason for presuming Turkey is an honest country, or not?

- If for no other reason, this one is plenty good enough why we not only need to remove Turkey from our shores but never do business with such anachronistic, degraded savages.

From today's Guardian ...

Erdoğan is neither a lone madman in a padded cell, nor a Victorian uncle caught in a time warp. He’s the president of a country of 75 million people where only 28% of women are in legal employment, an estimated 40% of women suffer domestic violence at least once in their lives, and where millions of girls are forced into under-age marriage every year (incidentally, Erdoğan’s predecessor, Abdullah Gül, married his wife when she was 15). Exact figures on domestic abuse and rape are hard to come by because it is socially frowned upon to complain about husbands, and police often tell women and girls who have been threatened with murder by their partners to go home and “talk it over”.
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Re: ...an umbilical chord to Europe, to mimic a phrase

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:52 pm

...you may choose to ignore Turkey because its leadership does not represent a custom which has become the norm over the whole world. an end to plunder, and respect for each other without distinction or discrimination is a goal which finds adversaries, not just in Turkey. i believe dialog is the key, a solidarity with, and a recognition of, a population that is the Turkish People, who like the rest of the world, see Erdogan, and his ilk, as a bane. in any case, if you are keen for Turkey's demonisation, Turks suffer indeed, but not the "Turks" you demonstrate against with the same hatred they have against what is "not "Turkish".

...in my opinion it is not exclusion which is necessary, Turkey's politics and foreign affairs prove this in her isolated state, balance is needed; if Cyprus is not "Greek", or "Turkish", Cyprus becomes a fulcrum, this Turkey should come to realise is a good thing, for Peace generally, and her relations with the EU and the rest of her neighbours; neither too big or too small, an equal, an important part in larger systems.
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