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Re: about the missing, worth mentioning...

Postby Lordo » Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:09 am

do these figures include the gcs who were buried by the roc and declared as missing for decades. how did they describe it

missing persons in Cyprus began in 1964, with a limited number of missing persons - as if they were disappointing.

how the hell does the eu reconcile that fact that one of their members committed murder against innocent civilians and dumped then in dried wells and mass graves and to this day refuses to say where the remains are. but continue to pass resolution after resolution about missing gcs. just unbloodybelievable. as if it will make a blind bit of difference to terggy.
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Re: about the missing, worth mentioning...

Postby bill cobbett » Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:21 am

Lordo wrote:do these figures include the gcs who were buried by the roc and declared as missing for decades. how did they describe it

missing persons in Cyprus began in 1964, with a limited number of missing persons - as if they were disappointing.

how the hell does the eu reconcile that fact that one of their members committed murder against innocent civilians and dumped then in dried wells and mass graves and to this day refuses to say where the remains are. but continue to pass resolution after resolution about missing gcs. just unbloodybelievable. as if it will make a blind bit of difference to terggy.


Well Scummo, have another read and you tell us...

"... The European Parliament,

– having regard to its resolution of 15 March 2007 on missing persons in Cyprus(1),

– having regard to the relevant reports of the United Nations Secretary-General(2), resolutions of the United Nations Security Council(3) and international initiatives taken to investigate the fate of missing persons in Cyprus(4),

– having regard to the judgments of the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) of 10 May 2001(5) and 10 January 2008(6) concerning missing persons in Cyprus, and the 12 May 2014 Grand Chamber judgment in the case of Cyprus v. Turkey,

– having regard to its resolution of 18 June 2008 on missing persons in Cyprus(7),

– having regard to the report of the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs (A6-0139/2008),

– having regard to its declaration of 9 June 2011 on the work of the Committee on Missing Persons in Cyprus,

– having regard to the international humanitarian law, both conventional and customary, on missing persons,

– having regard to its previous resolutions on Turkey,

– having regard to Rules 135(5) and 123(4) of its Rules of Procedure,

A. whereas on 14 August 1974 the village of Ashia was bombarded by Turkish air forces; whereas on 21 August enforced mass evacuations were conducted by the Turkish army; whereas final expulsion of all the inhabitants of the village took place on 28 August;

B. whereas, in total, 106 individuals from the village of Ashia, aged between 11 and 84, went missing in 1974;

C. whereas in the spring of 2009, the Committee on Missing Persons in Cyprus (CMP) conducted a search in the Ornithi area, a village situated 4 km west of the village of Ashia; whereas four burial sites were disinterred, two of which were water wells and the sites of mass graves,; whereas it has been confirmed that the remains, identified by DNA testing, belong to the list of 71 civilians who went missing in Ashia on 21 August 1974, as stated above;

D. whereas evidence suggests that that the two mass graves had been previously exhumed; whereas the remains were intentionally removed and transferred to unknown locations;

E. whereas the great agony and suffering of the families of the missing persons, who have remained ignorant of the fate of their beloved relatives for decades, still continues, and whereas all efforts must therefore be made to expedite the investigations by the CMP;

F. whereas the European Court of Human Rights held that there had been, with regard to Greek‑Cypriot missing persons and their relatives: a continuing violation of Article 2 (right to life) of the Convention concerning the failure of the Turkish authorities to conduct an effective investigation into the whereabouts and fate of Greek‑Cypriot missing persons who disappeared in life-threatening circumstances; a continuing violation of Article 5 (right to liberty and security) concerning the failure of Turkey to conduct an effective investigation into the whereabouts and fate of the Greek-Cypriot missing persons in respect of whom there was an arguable claim that they were in Turkish custody at the time of their disappearance; and a continuing violation of Article 3 (prohibition of inhuman or degrading treatment) in that the silence of the Turkish authorities in the face of the real concerns of the relatives attained a level of severity which could only be categorised as inhuman treatment;

G. whereas the cases, where only partial skeletal remains of persons can be handed over for burial, cannot be considered as closed until all the identifiable remains of all the missing persons have been discovered;

H. whereas the European Court of Human Rights has ruled on the responsibility of Turkey, as the de facto occupying force in the northern part of Cyprus, to investigate the whereabouts and fates of those missing and facilitate the work of the CMP;

I. whereas the problem of missing persons is a humanitarian one deriving from the right of the relatives of missing persons to know their fate;

J. whereas the ordeal of missing persons in Cyprus began in 1964, with a limited number of missing persons from both communities, and reached its peak with nearly 2 000 missing persons following the military invasion by Turkey in 1974, which still keeps the island divided;

K. whereas a total of 2 001 Cypriots have remained missing for several decades now, of whom 1 508 are Greek Cypriots and 493 Turkish Cypriots;

1. Condemns the relocation that took place in Ornithi, and similar actions, as a great disrespect to the missing persons and a gross violation of the rights of their families to finally know the real conditions of the deaths of their loved ones; expresses its sympathy with the families of all missing people who are still living in uncertainty;

2. Underlines that relocation of remains and similar acts could represent a major disruption and complication for the challenging and difficult process of investigating the fate of all missing persons in Cyprus;

3. Highlights the urgency of the matter as regards the families of the missing persons, 41 years after their disappearances, and stresses that time is running out to find them as witnesses and relatives are passing away; calls for the immediate and complete verification of the fate of the missing persons;

4. Commends the work of the CMP and highlights the importance of intensifying its activities, as half of all the missing persons have yet to be located and more than two-thirds have yet to be identified;

5. Stresses that the work of the CMP depends on the full support and cooperation of all the parties involved and welcomes, in this regard, the funds provided by the EU and calls for their continued provision;

6. Notes that the CMP has made an urgent call for anyone with information on possible burial sites to contact CMP investigators; calls on Turkey and its government to immediately cease removal of the remains from the mass graves and to comply with international law, international humanitarian law and the ECHR judgments, and facilitate to that effect the efforts of the three-part Committee on Missing Persons by giving full access to military archives and military zones for exhumation; calls on Turkey to fully implement its obligation following the decision of the ECHR to compensate the families of the missing persons;

7. Calls on Turkey to allow without deliberate delay access to zones that have been defined as military and there is information that burial sites of missing persons are located within them; underlines that the Turkish military should supply and share old military maps and give full access to its archives in order to facilitate the search for still undisclosed burial grounds;

8. Urges all EU Member States to ratify the International Convention for the Protection of All Persons from Enforced Disappearance, as a matter of priority, and calls on the European External Action Service (EEAS) and the Member States to support the work of the UN Committee on Enforced Disappearances, established under this Convention;

9. Reminds all parties concerned and all those who have, or are in a position to have, any information or evidence emanating from personal knowledge, archives, battlefield reports or records of detention places, to pass it on to the CMP without further delay;

10. Instructs its President to forward this resolution to the Council, the Commission, the Vice-President of the Commission / High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy and the Government and Parliament of Turkey, and recalls the unconditional obligation of every state, under the European Convention on Human Rights, to abide by final judgments in cases to which it has been a party.
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Re: about the missing, worth mentioning...

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:40 am

...in any case, these families, deserve some Justice, each case may be different, but they are all murder Lordo, all the way back to '63.

I read the Irish politics too, all the more reason for Turkey to give it up, and show some dignity; Turkey the great Humanitarian would rather have an Army that hides its own shame.
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Re: about the missing, worth mentioning...

Postby Nikitas » Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:51 pm

RW,

Denktash when he was still in politics stated that the missing were killed by TC irregulars. Though the statement was made with the intent to absolve the Turkish army of any blame, it put an end to doubt about the fate of mising persons.

Despite this unequivocal statement, the Turkish army resorted to the idiotic step of moving the remains from mass graves.

A bizarre mindset at best.
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Re: about the missing, worth mentioning...

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:36 pm

Nikitas wrote:RW,

Denktash when he was still in politics stated that the missing were killed by TC irregulars. Though the statement was made with the intent to absolve the Turkish army of any blame, it put an end to doubt about the fate of mising persons.

Despite this unequivocal statement, the Turkish army resorted to the idiotic step of moving the remains from mass graves.

A bizarre mindset at best.


There were instances where, missing were listed on UN lists as being alive and being in custody of the Turk army but later were discovered to be dead. Which means that the Turk army had them, then they were executed and buried by the Turk army.
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Re: about the missing, worth mentioning...

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:04 am

...in any case, it was a sad fate for all the missing, and murdered in '63, and in '74, all of them were stripped of their identity as people who were close to their land, Cypriots; denied this singular identity because, our choices have made us adversaries in "solving" the Problem as "Greeks"/"Turks". There is Hope however, because Cypriots still exist, and because there is reason. I understand Lordo's reticence toward saying sorry for this or sorry for that, afraid that if he asks, someone will deny him his pain. Maybe not, there is a thin line between empathy, and the propaganda tools babies in the bathtub have become. I suggest something new, a better intention, in acts for Cyprus, as Cypriots, because beyond this "Greekness", or "Turkishness", there is something decent, better, in recognising an equality that has been respected here for thousands of years, no less, but more a reflection of the Modern Age which has passed, and the Information Age begun.

...every case was/is different, as we've demonstrated, the Army, irregulars, profiteers, Greek, Turkish, who knows the variables, what really happened, and it is quite obvious that the "Leadership' does not want anyone to know what really happened either, this is the frame of mind in which our bitterness grows. Everything, indeed, exists to tear us apart, think about it, except there is the fact, a will to exist, Free, as Cypriots. Yet, the only Justice which can exist for these dead, is if we the living defend each other: against those who's pleasure is gained from this misery they cause; not by choosing a "side" (because whatever side is chosen is "theirs"), but by choosing to stop, "this". Courts of Justice demonstrate a physical recourse to some degree, one says there is blame, there is an issue, the other, that Turkey takes the blame and offers a recourse for compensation. So far, here we are, waiting for a solution from the top so to speak, something like compensation for the Heritance involved as Property, and a Commission starved of the information it needs to conclude its Mission successfully..

Most importantly, are our own actions, for those "they" would rather we forget, go ahead this summer, at the beach, and when making your souvla, fly a Flag of Cyprus for the fun of it, plant this staff in the ground, in honour of this memory, all the memories, celebrate for those who fell, because they stayed, so that we can be Free.
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Re: about the missing, worth mentioning...

Postby Lordo » Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:55 pm

if roc is not ready to give the remains in her own territory being the legal government an all, why would terrgy feel obliged to do anything.

any tcs or gcs found are the result of individuals volunteering information. roc has done nothing regarding this issue.
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Re: about the missing, worth mentioning...

Postby kurupetos » Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:12 pm

Lordo wrote:if roc is not ready to give the remains in her own territory being the legal government an all, why would terrgy feel obliged to do anything.

any tcs or gcs found are the result of individuals volunteering information. roc has done nothing regarding this issue.

They will find you too.. you have a big head...
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Re: about the missing, worth mentioning...

Postby Lordo » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:27 pm

you are officially the most boring person on earth.
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Re: about the missing, worth mentioning...

Postby kurupetos » Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:03 pm

Lordo wrote:you are officially the most boring person on earth.

Unfortunately that's not lethal.
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