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[Jerry]

Dirty imperialist Brits...

Dirty murderer Grivas too.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Dirty imperialist Brits...

Dirty murderer Grivas too.

The point you missed was that there would have been no need for a civil war, or even a cold war, if Churchill had not reacted the way he did.

If the Brits were honest and open, both Greece and Cyprus would have been left free to prosper after WW2, such was the respect their dual war efforts deserved.

Instead, Imperialist divide and rule worked its evil magic once again ...

[Jerry]

Dirty imperialist Brits...

Dirty murderer Grivas too.

The point you missed was that there would have been no need for a civil war, or even a cold war, if Churchill had not reacted the way he did.

If the Brits were honest and open, both Greece and Cyprus would have been left free to prosper after WW2, such was the respect their dual war efforts deserved.

Instead, Imperialist divide and rule worked its evil magic once again ...

Greece free to prosper under communism, yeah right. Grivas was killing communist in Greece, working his evil magic, before the British returned to Greece.

Divide and rule in Cyprus was an attempt to hang on to a colony, in Greece it was to keep communism at bay.

[Paphitis]

A Very Interesting article in the Guardian regarding the massacre by British troops of unarmed Greek citizens, in Athens on December 3rd 1944.

Athens 1944: Britain





Britain’s logic was brutal and perfidious: Prime minister Winston Churchill considered the influence of the Communist Party within the resistance movement he had backed throughout the war – the National Liberation Front, EAM – to have grown stronger than he had calculated, sufficient to jeopardise his plan to return the Greek king to power and keep Communism at bay. So he switched allegiances to back the supporters of Hitler against his own erstwhile allies.



And thereafter Greece’s descent into catastrophic civil war: a cruel and bloody episode in British as well as Greek history which every Greek knows to their core – differently, depending on which side they were on – but which remains curiously untold in Britain, perhaps out of shame, maybe the arrogance of a lack of interest. It is a narrative of which the millions of Britons who go to savour the glories of Greek antiquity or disco-dance around the islands Mamma Mia-style, are unaware.

The legacy of this betrayal has haunted Greece ever since, its shadow hanging over the turbulence and violence that erupted in 2008 after the killing of a schoolboy by police – also called the Dekemvriana – and created an abyss between the left and right thereafter.




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There were 2 resistance movements in Greece! Both were friends of Britain until one EAM began to attack the right wing ELLAS.

This was a sign for what was in store for Greece as Stalin began to influence EAM for his takeover of Greece after liberation from the Nazis.

When WW2 was finished, it all started. EAM began attacking Government Forces in Northern Greece with Russian supplied weapons.

Naturally, the Brits and Americans were supporting the Hellenic Government and thank heavens for that otherwise Greece could have ended up in the Communist block of Countries and become another Cuba or East Germany!!!!

In 1944, the Brits tried to anticipate the developing problem and tried to eradicate it in order to avoid the Civil Way and save the lives of 2 million Greeks.

[Paphitis]

Dirty imperialist Brits...

Dirty murderer Grivas too.

Grivas was an Officer of the Hellenic Army so it should be no surprise that he too opposed the growing influence of Stalin and like Britain new all about the the calamity that was to befall Greece after the Nazis.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Dirty imperialist Brits...

Dirty murderer Grivas too.

The point you missed was that there would have been no need for a civil war, or even a cold war, if Churchill had not reacted the way he did.

If the Brits were honest and open, both Greece and Cyprus would have been left free to prosper after WW2, such was the respect their dual war efforts deserved.

Instead, Imperialist divide and rule worked its evil magic once again ...

Greece free to prosper under communism, yeah right. Grivas was killing communist in Greece, working his evil magic, before the British returned to Greece.

Divide and rule in Cyprus was an attempt to hang on to a colony, in Greece it was to keep communism at bay.

Let me get this straight. You disapprove of Grivas killing to oppose communism, but you approve of the Brits killing to oppose communism?

[Paphitis]

So, no evidence for what you spouted then other than an attempt to make Churchill appear less evil.

Blame Paphitis for spreading prejudice amongst the Brits...

GreekIslandgirl is from Northern Greece and it should be no surprise to anyone that she is a traitor as her family was in full support of their Slavic comrades and Stalin himself against the Greek State!

[Paphitis]

I mean really people. I don't know what it is that is so difficult to understand.

Towards the end of ww2, Russia and US/Brits were jostling for territory.

The Russians were already advancing. Why do you think the US/Brits had to land at Normandy? So that they can create the Western Front and advance on Germany before the Russians.

The allies were jostling for position against Stalin!

This was also the case in Greece. Whilst the allies were ok with letting the Russians have Yugoslavia and Albania, they did not want the same fate for Greece thank heavens.

[Jerry]

Dirty imperialist Brits...

Dirty murderer Grivas too.

The point you missed was that there would have been no need for a civil war, or even a cold war, if Churchill had not reacted the way he did.

If the Brits were honest and open, both Greece and Cyprus would have been left free to prosper after WW2, such was the respect their dual war efforts deserved.

Instead, Imperialist divide and rule worked its evil magic once again ...

Greece free to prosper under communism, yeah right. Grivas was killing communist in Greece, working his evil magic, before the British returned to Greece.

Divide and rule in Cyprus was an attempt to hang on to a colony, in Greece it was to keep communism at bay.

Let me get this straight. You disapprove of Grivas killing to oppose communism, but you approve of the Brits killing to oppose communism?

No, but a nice try at distorting my view. I simply made the point that the great Cypriot hero was as culpable as the British in killing communists. You take every opportunity to bash Britain, do you feel the same about Grivas in this instance?

[GreekIslandGirl]

The point you missed was that there would have been no need for a civil war, or even a cold war, if Churchill had not reacted the way he did.

If the Brits were honest and open, both Greece and Cyprus would have been left free to prosper after WW2, such was the respect their dual war efforts deserved.

Instead, Imperialist divide and rule worked its evil magic once again ...

Greece free to prosper under communism, yeah right. Grivas was killing communist in Greece, working his evil magic, before the British returned to Greece.

Divide and rule in Cyprus was an attempt to hang on to a colony, in Greece it was to keep communism at bay.

Let me get this straight. You disapprove of Grivas killing to oppose communism, but you approve of the Brits killing to oppose communism?

No, but a nice try at distorting my view. I simply made the point that the great Cypriot hero was as culpable as the British in killing communists. You take every opportunity to bash Britain, do you feel the same about Grivas in this instance?

I wasn't distorting because I asked a question to get something straight. The Brits were in Greece the whole time whilst Grivas turned to opposing what they believed were communists. A recent account suggests the Greeks killed as communists were no more left than Attlee's Labour party was at the time - but that might explain why Churchill acted in the evil way he did - he couldn't destroy 'communism'/Attlee back in Britain so he caused civil unrest elsewhere. I blame Churchill because the article is clear on his culpability.

I do not bash the Brits at 'every opportunity' (although, the opportunities are many when it comes to their foreign policies). And in the same way, I also do not approve of all of Grivas' actions and methods. Does that make me a Brit-basher if I support his actions with EOKA against the colonialists?

Unfortunately, I'll leave this discussion as the troll has started getting personal with some defamatory accusations straight out of his aussie-arse and unless Admin control his copious drunken posts, it's clear there is no further debate. Sorry, tsukoui, it was an otherwise interesting thread for me whose family suffered so much in Athens, to ask questions and seek some clarification.