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[Paphitis]

The point you missed was that there would have been no need for a civil war, or even a cold war, if Churchill had not reacted the way he did.

If the Brits were honest and open, both Greece and Cyprus would have been left free to prosper after WW2, such was the respect their dual war efforts deserved.

Instead, Imperialist divide and rule worked its evil magic once again ...

Greece free to prosper under communism, yeah right. Grivas was killing communist in Greece, working his evil magic, before the British returned to Greece.

Divide and rule in Cyprus was an attempt to hang on to a colony, in Greece it was to keep communism at bay.

Let me get this straight. You disapprove of Grivas killing to oppose communism, but you approve of the Brits killing to oppose communism?

No, but a nice try at distorting my view. I simply made the point that the great Cypriot hero was as culpable as the British in killing communists. You take every opportunity to bash Britain, do you feel the same about Grivas in this instance?

I wasn't distorting because I asked a question to get something straight. The Brits were in Greece the whole time whilst Grivas turned to opposing what they believed were communists. A recent account suggests the Greeks killed as communists were no more left than Attlee's Labour party was at the time - but that might explain why Churchill acted in the evil way he did - he couldn't destroy 'communism'/Attlee back in Britain so he caused civil unrest elsewhere. I blame Churchill because the article is clear on his culpability.

I do not bash the Brits at 'every opportunity' (although, the opportunities are many when it comes to their foreign policies). And in the same way, I also do not approve of all of Grivas' actions and methods. Does that make me a Brit-basher if I support his actions with EOKA against the colonialists?

Unfortunately, I'll leave this discussion as the troll has started getting personal with some defamatory accusations straight out of his aussie-arse and unless Admin control his copious drunken posts, it's clear there is no further debate. Sorry, tsukoui, it was an otherwise interesting thread for me whose family suffered so much in Athens, to ask questions and seek some clarification.

The last allied troops were hastily evacuated from Crete in 1942 - 45000 British, Australian and Kiwi troops were evacuated.

There were no British or Allied troops left in Greece. At the most some specialists remnants could have been left behind to assist the resistance.

And EAM/ELAS were as Communist as you can get.

Read here:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Pe ... ation_Army

It would be no surprise to me that the Bits would oppose them.

What drove them to fight the Greek Government and become separatists anyway?

Look at who funded them. What they were trying to do is take advantage whilst the newly liberated Greece was still weak and reeling from the devastation at the hands of the NAZIS.

The troops that left Greece were taken to Tobruk and were the same troops that eventually defeated Rommels forces but only just and with a stroke of good fortune I might add because Rommel was hitting them hard. They became known as the "Desert Rats", were low on fuel and not well armed compared to the Germans.

[Paphitis]

Further to this Grivas did nothing wrong.

He was an Officer of the Hellenic Army, became a resistance fighter and then once again back in the Hellenic Army as an Officer.

He followed his orders from the Greek Government/State, and served the country from the Yugoslav and Russian supported seperatists.

What else do you expect?

[supporttheunderdog]

Dirty imperialist Brits...

Dirty murderer Grivas too.

The point you missed was that there would have been no need for a civil war, or even a cold war, if Churchill had not reacted the way he did.

If the Brits were honest and open, both Greece and Cyprus would have been left free to prosper after WW2, such was the respect their dual war efforts deserved.

Instead, Imperialist divide and rule worked its evil magic once again ...

The whole article looks like a bit of communist biased misinformation which seeks to Denigrate certain non communist parts of the heroic Greek resistance - as it was the Communists (ELAS) were murdering members of non communist resistance groups (such as a EKKE and EDES) who refused to bow down to them, from as early as 1942 and the foundations of the civil war were laid then.

If the Communists had seized power Greece would likely have fallen under Stalinist control and no country that fell under Stalinist domination was free let alone able to prosper. The Former Soviet Block countries are still in process of economic recovery 25 years after the end 45 years of Soviet misrule.

[Paphitis]

Dirty imperialist Brits...

Dirty murderer Grivas too.

The point you missed was that there would have been no need for a civil war, or even a cold war, if Churchill had not reacted the way he did.

If the Brits were honest and open, both Greece and Cyprus would have been left free to prosper after WW2, such was the respect their dual war efforts deserved.

Instead, Imperialist divide and rule worked its evil magic once again ...

The whole article looks like a bit of communist biased misinformation which seeks to Denigrate certain non communist parts of the heroic Greek resistance - as it was the Communists (ELAS) were murdering members of non communist resistance groups (such as a EKKE and EDES) who refused to bow down to them, from as early as 1942 and the foundations of the civil war were laid then.

If the Communists had seized power Greece would likely have fallen under Stalinist control and no country that fell under Stalinist domination was free let alone able to prosper. The Former Soviet Block countries are still in process of economic recovery 25 years after the end 45 years of Soviet misrule.

That's correct!

They started to attack EDES and PAO in 1943 which were also Greek Resistance Organisations who were fighting the NAZIS.

In 1942 some British Commandos parachuted into Northern Greece in order to unify ELAS with EDES and PAO and also lead an operation to destroy a key NAZI bridge which was a supply route for their troops in Greece and also for Rommel's Forces in North Africa.

I don't think the Brits are the issue. They tried very hard to help Greece and later it's resistance. Unfortunately, the allies had lost to the NAZIS big time, the last defeat being Crete.

By 1944, you had all out warfare between ELAS and EDES/PAO, and the Cairo Backed Government Security Forces.