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Re: French Defense Minister Says Russia May Never Receive Sh

Postby Maximus » Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:50 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Hollande, made a unscheduled visit to personally deliver a refund cheque and an apology! :lol:

http://www.euronews.com/2014/12/06/fran ... w-airport/


And that my friend is like a BIG FUCK YOU to Putana - it's basically saying, "have your money back because you're not getting the ships!" :lol: :lol: :lol:

There was no apology at all, and no refund either.

vive la France!


Well, Russia is saying they are going to file for compensation and sue France if they do not fulfill their contractual obligation.

The fine or compensation is potentially worth multi-billion dollars.

The EU has made a right dogs diner out of their relationship with Russia and we (the EU) will end up paying for it too.
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Re: French Defense Minister Says Russia May Never Receive Sh

Postby Paphitis » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:46 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Hollande, made a unscheduled visit to personally deliver a refund cheque and an apology! :lol:

http://www.euronews.com/2014/12/06/fran ... w-airport/


And that my friend is like a BIG FUCK YOU to Putana - it's basically saying, "have your money back because you're not getting the ships!" :lol: :lol: :lol:

There was no apology at all, and no refund either.

vive la France!


Well, Russia is saying they are going to file for compensation and sue France if they do not fulfill their contractual obligation.

The fine or compensation is potentially worth multi-billion dollars.

The EU has made a right dogs diner out of their relationship with Russia and we (the EU) will end up paying for it too.


Russia can do what they like, but you will also find that within any Defence Contract, a Nation State has the right to cancel the contract without fulfilling any obligations should relations between the 2 States deteriorate for any reason leading to possible military conflict and so forth.

Usually these contracts are very detailed, and in them, it will have France's Rights as the supplier of weapons and what it can do.

Bottom line is, France does not have to deliver the Ships, and is allowed to withhold them and also without paying any compensation whatsoever. It can also retain all monies if its intent is to eventually deliver the Ships after Russia complies with International Laws and norms vis a vis Ukraine.

You don't expect a NATO country to supply Russia with arms even though potentially NATO could find itself at war with Russia do you? :roll:
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Re: French Defense Minister Says Russia May Never Receive Sh

Postby B25 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:42 am

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Hollande, made a unscheduled visit to personally deliver a refund cheque and an apology! :lol:

http://www.euronews.com/2014/12/06/fran ... w-airport/


And that my friend is like a BIG FUCK YOU to Putana - it's basically saying, "have your money back because you're not getting the ships!" :lol: :lol: :lol:

There was no apology at all, and no refund either.

vive la France!


Well, Russia is saying they are going to file for compensation and sue France if they do not fulfill their contractual obligation.

The fine or compensation is potentially worth multi-billion dollars.

The EU has made a right dogs diner out of their relationship with Russia and we (the EU) will end up paying for it too.


Russia can do what they like, but you will also find that within any Defence Contract, a Nation State has the right to cancel the contract without fulfilling any obligations should relations between the 2 States deteriorate for any reason leading to possible military conflict and so forth.

Usually these contracts are very detailed, and in them, it will have France's Rights as the supplier of weapons and what it can do.

Bottom line is, France does not have to deliver the Ships, and is allowed to withhold them and also without paying any compensation whatsoever. It can also retain all monies if its intent is to eventually deliver the Ships after Russia complies with International Laws and norms vis a vis Ukraine.

You don't expect a NATO country to supply Russia with arms even though potentially NATO could find itself at war with Russia do you? :roll:


Well, if you replace Russia with Turkey, that's exactly what NATO is doing, so why different with Russia. As if Russia needs NATO weapons. Actually I was surprised she even placed an order with them. Probably just to have a laugh and reverse engineer them.
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Re: French Defense Minister Says Russia May Never Receive Sh

Postby Paphitis » Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:33 am

B25 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Hollande, made a unscheduled visit to personally deliver a refund cheque and an apology! :lol:

http://www.euronews.com/2014/12/06/fran ... w-airport/


And that my friend is like a BIG FUCK YOU to Putana - it's basically saying, "have your money back because you're not getting the ships!" :lol: :lol: :lol:

There was no apology at all, and no refund either.

vive la France!


Well, Russia is saying they are going to file for compensation and sue France if they do not fulfill their contractual obligation.

The fine or compensation is potentially worth multi-billion dollars.

The EU has made a right dogs diner out of their relationship with Russia and we (the EU) will end up paying for it too.


Russia can do what they like, but you will also find that within any Defence Contract, a Nation State has the right to cancel the contract without fulfilling any obligations should relations between the 2 States deteriorate for any reason leading to possible military conflict and so forth.

Usually these contracts are very detailed, and in them, it will have France's Rights as the supplier of weapons and what it can do.

Bottom line is, France does not have to deliver the Ships, and is allowed to withhold them and also without paying any compensation whatsoever. It can also retain all monies if its intent is to eventually deliver the Ships after Russia complies with International Laws and norms vis a vis Ukraine.

You don't expect a NATO country to supply Russia with arms even though potentially NATO could find itself at war with Russia do you? :roll:


Well, if you replace Russia with Turkey, that's exactly what NATO is doing, so why different with Russia. As if Russia needs NATO weapons. Actually I was surprised she even placed an order with them. Probably just to have a laugh and reverse engineer them.


Er... that doesn't make sense.

Let me spell it out to you. France is a NATO country. Russia has invaded Ukraine, a NATO candidate. This is a direct provocation. Hence, tensions between Russia and NATO are at an all time high.

Therefore, France cancels Russian Defence Contract. Pretty simple!

Turkey is also a NATO member, as is Greece. Turkey has invaded Cyprus in 1974, which is a non NATO member.

NATO has turned a blind eye, more or less, as has the EU and the rest of the world.

Yes I agree that NATO and the EU should be doing a lot more (limited sanctions) to hold Turkey accountable to its criminal behavior just like they are doing with Russia, but unfortunately that has not been the case.

An antagonistic attitude towards the powers that control NATO is not helpful either because they just think we are idiots and will continue to turn a blind eye, along with the EU which is even worse since Cyprus is a member State of the EU.
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Re: French Defense Minister Says Russia May Never Receive Sh

Postby Maximus » Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:08 am

Thats right Paphitis,

what you have just described is hypocrisy by the EU and NATO of the highest order.

Now, our EU muppets are going to update the customs agreement and supply more NATO weapons to Turkey and probably pay more for Russian gas, via Turkey !!
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Re: French Defense Minister Says Russia May Never Receive Sh

Postby Paphitis » Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:21 am

Maximus wrote:Thats right Paphitis,

what you have just described is hypocrisy by the EU and NATO of the highest order.

Now, our EU muppets are going to update the customs agreement and supply more NATO weapons to Turkey and probably pay more for Russian gas, via Turkey !!


There is hypocrisy everywhere Max!

It is an unfair world, we know.

We need to stay positive, focused and implement some bi partisan strategy as to how we engage the EU and NATO members! The old Cypriot attitudes and gravitation towards anti Americanism (by some illiterates) really is old hat now, and quite daft and boring. A new approach is needed, with BETTER relations with USA.

If you notice, Turkey is also on the nose at the moment. They are kind of like the retarded cousin no one has time for but have to tolerate. They know all about their collaboration with Islamic state.
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Re: French Defense Minister Says Russia May Never Receive Sh

Postby Maximus » Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:24 am

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Maximus wrote:Thats right Paphitis,

what you have just described is hypocrisy by the EU and NATO of the highest order.

Now, our EU muppets are going to update the customs agreement and supply more NATO weapons to Turkey and probably pay more for Russian gas, via Turkey !!


There is hypocrisy everywhere Max!

It is an unfair world, we know.

We need to stay positive, focused and implement some bi partisan strategy as to how we engage the EU and NATO members!

If you notice, Turkey is also on the nose at the moment. They are kind of like the retarded cousin no one has time for but have to tolerate. They know all about their collaboration with Islamic state.


The EU has made the wrong choice between friends between Russia and Turkey.

Actually, Turkey will probably betray the EU and NAtO and become more cosy with Russia now.
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Re: French Defense Minister Says Russia May Never Receive Sh

Postby Maximus » Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:27 am

It would not surprise me now to see Turkey use Russian gas for political leverage against the EU.
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Re: French Defense Minister Says Russia May Never Receive Sh

Postby Paphitis » Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:32 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:Thats right Paphitis,

what you have just described is hypocrisy by the EU and NATO of the highest order.

Now, our EU muppets are going to update the customs agreement and supply more NATO weapons to Turkey and probably pay more for Russian gas, via Turkey !!


There is hypocrisy everywhere Max!

It is an unfair world, we know.

We need to stay positive, focused and implement some bi partisan strategy as to how we engage the EU and NATO members!

If you notice, Turkey is also on the nose at the moment. They are kind of like the retarded cousin no one has time for but have to tolerate. They know all about their collaboration with Islamic state.


The EU has made the wrong choice between friends between Russia and Turkey.

Actually, Turkey will probably betray the EU and NAtO and become more cosy with Russia now.


This would be like a gift for Cyprus!

I somehow don't think so, because Turkey wants regime change in Syria, the Americans are unsure about what they want (other than destroying ISIL) and the Russians want things as they are.

The Americans are leaning towards better the devil you know. They can handle a few Russian naval Ships that anchor in Syria anyway if they need to.
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Re: French Defense Minister Says Russia May Never Receive Sh

Postby Paphitis » Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:34 am

Maximus wrote:It would not surprise me now to see Turkey use Russian gas for political leverage against the EU.


Well that will piss off the Yanks well and truly!

Let the Turks play their power politics. In the end, it will only end in tears for them.

Eroglu thinks he is a superpower. At the G20, Turkey was there but no one noticed them at all! They were just there to make up the numbers.

If you ask me, Turkey should be evicted from NATO!
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