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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby bill cobbett » Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:57 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:
Last week deputy Zorlu Töre took the floor during the parliamentary debate on budgetary issues in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (KKTC), making a patriotic speech as usual.
Following his performance deputy Doğuş Derya took the floor and said the following: “By reliance on a story of constant victimhood, we are always told that we were the only ones who suffered in war, as if there is a winning party. We were never told that others also suffered. Not only did we lose but other people who lived in this country also lost. They were forced to leave their homes and properties; they were raped. The [Cyprus Orthodox] Church permitted abortion in 1974 for the first time because there were so many Greek women that had been raped. For this reason, we need to remember that there are people we ignored because we objectified them as enemies. By looking through the lens of a federalist point of view, we could confront the reality and the truth of others. That would maybe mean remembering how to be ashamed; remembering that we have a consciousness. We need to consider the future, not just the past. We need to show determination to build a future. If we do this, then we would fulfill our responsibility.”

The statement attracted the ire of many, including other deputies, who repeated well-known formulaic statements and arguments. The Cultural Association of People from Hatay, the Cultural Association of People from the Black Sea and nationalists of all sorts -- mainly from mainland Turkey -- further launched a smear campaign.

There are some significant developments regarding the federalist argument referenced by Deputy Doğuş Derya. Although this is not the first time, a comprehensive and remarkable initiative toward a federal solution was presented by the grassroots organization, Federal Cyprus Initiative. The initiative, which was founded on Dec. 14 with the support of Cypriot Greeks, Cypriot Turks, Armenians and Maronites, states: “To create a unified Federal Cyprus, we need to address the longstanding clichés raised by official circles and the conventional perception of realities. We also need to confront the realities and truths of those we considered enemies.” http://www.yeniduzen.com/haberler/haber ... endi/45341

This is a very valuable initiative as a mainstream internal dynamic with no link to Britain, Greece, the EU, the UN, the US or Turkey. This is also a spontaneous initiative not based on political calculations and for this reason alone, disturbs nationalists on both ends of the island.

Let us also look at what deputy Derya referred to in another part of her speech: “Today, RIK TV, which is a state-run broadcasting body, talks about the suffering of Turkish Cypriots between 1963 and 1974. Greek Cypriots started a process of confrontation. Those who witness this from both sides feel uncomfortable because when a federal Cyprus becomes integrated with the world, a lot of things in the current illegal stage would change.”
Derya's speech can be accessed here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr-Q-tzg_3s
Former president of Cyprus, Demetris Christofias, also recently said something along the same lines: “The Greek Cypriots should hail the brave attitude of Derya and show the same bravery. Is it not true that some Greek Cypriots raped women and children, executed unarmed prisoners and committed bloody attacks in Maratha, Aoli, Sandalaris and Tohni? The mutual trust and rapprochement between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots may not bring about the settlement of the Cyprus issue, but this is the precondition for a federal solution.”

Yet the smear campaign against Derya is not a coincidence.

Note: There is shocking and well-documented information provided by Professor Niyazi Kızılyürek in Yeni Düzen newspaper on the rapes that occurred during the 1974 military intervention.
http://www.yeniduzen.com/Yazarlar/niyaz ... ardir/5422
The whole matter is not about American, Greek, Serbian or Turkish armies' discipline during wars, it is about the character of men with a weapon in their hands in an environment of total chaos that we call war.

Merry Christmas to Christian readers.

CENGİZ AKTAR (Cihan/Today's Zaman)


http://en.cihan.com.tr/news/Federal-Cyp ... YzNDE4Ni81

Federal Cyprus and its enemies


...copied in its entirety because i enjoyed reading it so much. brewing is an idea which cannot be stopped, Cyprus exists, and it is for Cyprus that Cypriots will act. they will be pushed too far, to "be" "Greek" or to "be" "Turkish", again as in the past, but what is natural always prevails, at one point they will choose what is different, rather than be apart, to defend each other against a common adversary, those not "Cypriot".


Denial, RW. The Denials continue.

In this instance the Denials continue cos Zaman is being selective in its report cos Ms Derya pointed an accusing finger at the TA, an important point not raised in the Zaman article above.

Here, according to the Snail, is Ms Dorya's view in a sentence...

"... “But I explained how we should understand each other’s pain and that many Greek Cypriot women were raped by the Turkish army during the war and even the Church permitted abortions for the first time.” ..."
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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:35 pm

...indeed bill, that needs to be told, in part we are all guilty of avoiding the same pain, but then there is the willingness to heal wounds, too; i feel less alone, although there is a long way to go.

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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby bill cobbett » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:38 pm

Exciting, exciting news chaps...

Just heard from a reliable source that the unladylike ladies of the feminist protest collective, FEMEN, have arrived in CY to support Ms Derya.

The timing and location of their protest, a secret.

Are you getting excited, brother Wonko ... ???
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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby kurupetos » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:30 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Exciting, exciting news chaps...

Just heard from a reliable source that the unladylike ladies of the feminist protest collective, FEMEN, have arrived in CY to support Ms Derya.

The timing and location of their protest, a secret.

Are you getting excited, brother Wonko ... ???

Did they receive a check from their Zionist pimp? :evil:
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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby erolz66 » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:33 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Just heard from a reliable source that the unladylike ladies of the feminist protest collective, FEMEN, have arrived in CY to support Ms Derya.


Well please do take the opportunity to share your views with them on how 'hot' Federica Mogherini is (or the other women before her you have done likewise too here before). I am sure they will be interested.
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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:19 am

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bill cobbett wrote:Just heard from a reliable source that the unladylike ladies of the feminist protest collective, FEMEN, have arrived in CY to support Ms Derya.


Well please do take the opportunity to share your views with them on how 'hot' Federica Mogherini is (or the other women before her you have done likewise too here before). I am sure they will be interested.


...right time right place, i'm sure she will feel flattered, but she's not just a pretty face; i'm sure you can agree with bill on this one. speaking of filthy comments, erolz, please, you aren't doing yourself a favour with such bitterness, although thank you, i would never have put the two topics together otherwise. yup, like Angela Merkel, who is also a babe, when you get down to it damn fine specimens of their species in any case.
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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby erolz66 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:44 pm

repulsewarrior wrote: ...right time right place, i'm sure she will feel flattered,


Well you may be sure that a serious politician would be flattered to be judged purely on her looks in a way that would never be done of a male counterpart but you are almost certainly wrong.

repulsewarrior wrote:but she's not just a pretty face; i'm sure you can agree with bill on this one.


Bill made no comment about her not being 'just' a pretty face - he ONLY commented on her being a pretty face, something that he would never do with regards to a male politician and that is the problem here.

repulsewarrior wrote: speaking of filthy comments, erolz, please, you aren't doing yourself a favour with such bitterness, although thank you, i would never have put the two topics together otherwise.


You are mistaking an abhorrence of hypocrisy for bitterness. Talking of hypocrisy you yourself do no favours for your argument that we should all put being Cypriot ahead of being Turkish or Greek. You talk a good game but your ACTIONS betray you. Not only do you refuse to recognise Bill's consistent and persistent partiality in favour of a Greek Cypriot perspective in his posts here, you actively support him in such. Such behaviour is not consistent with your fine words about flying the Cypriot flag higher than all others. A real Cypriot in regards to this news story, who was a member of the 'Greek constituency' would not simply focus on how criticised this brave politician in the North has been but would also ask where are the RoC politicians standing up and showing reciprocal admission of the truth of their communities barbarity against the other in that parliament. Your words say one thing but your actions show something entirely different - your action in being unable to recognise Bill's persistent and consistent partiality in everything he posts, your action in not mentioning about this story that which you should be talking about if you really believe in being Cypriot ahead of being Greek or Turkish.
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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby Lordo » Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:43 pm

ditto erol. what do you expect from a charlui who actually believes the tcs were driven into enclaves by tmt and not eoka. clrealy man of no mind. a sheepriot if ever i seen one.
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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby bill cobbett » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:32 pm

Ooooh, do stop making things up cousin Sheestro and do stop trying to derail the thread.

Put simply, do you support Ms Derya when she says...

"... "... “But I explained how we should understand each other’s pain and that many Greek Cypriot women were raped by the Turkish army during the war and even the Church permitted abortions for the first time.” ..."

???
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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby Lordo » Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:08 pm

i will, just as soon as you accept all the rape and murder you boys committed from 63 to 74 included. particularly in murataga sandallilar and atlilar where they tried to burn the victims to destroy evidence of what they have done. particularly horrifying was the rape all the women and beheadings. the truly horrifying aspect was not even the crimes, but the crimes of groc who for decades claimed that these victims were gc murdered by the terggish army and crescent start was put on their necks to make them look like they are tc. for decades you simpletons bought it.

if you watch o dihozmas you will understand why tcs no longer cared what the ta did to you boys. 11 years in the enclaves is something you need to live to fully understand.

charluimu wake up and smell the bullshit all around you and stop spreading it.

sure we will just as soon as groc sets up a truth commission and completest all the bastards to admit to their crimes. i will be right behind you.
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