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Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby bill cobbett » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:44 pm

Dogus Derya, the female politician who on occasions has been very critical of some aspects of HRs on the other side of the cease-fire line, has been the target of the most ugly of comments for her condemnation of the 1974 rapings of hundreds of CY women.

Some of these comments are reported to have come from the Illegal Settler, Bertan Zaroglu, described as the head of the "turkish settlers from Alexandretta" group.

Other ugly comments have come from Kenan Akin, suspect in the murder of Solomos Solomou.

Akin is reported as saying... "“she is a poor woman who could not have her share as a woman and wants to be raped”...

To their credit, a lot of CYs and some of the press up there have condemned the ugly and very personal attacks.

Here's how the CY PIO summarises the reports...

"... Affronts against Dogus Derya after her statement saying that Greek Cypriot women were raped in 1974
Turkish Cypriot daily Havadis newspaper (16.12.14) reports that Dogus Derya, self-styled deputy with the Republican Turkish Party – United Forces (CTP-BG), has suffered affronts by “certain circles” in the social media because of the statement she had made the day before yesterday at the “assembly” that so many Greek Cypriot women had been raped in 1974 [during the Turkish invasion of the island] that the Greek Orthodox Church permitted abortions for the first time.

Among those who affronted Derya are the chairman of the Turkish settlers from Alexandretta, Bertan Zaroglu, the former “minister” of agriculture of the regime, Kenan Akin [known for the murder of Solomos Solomou during the incidents in Deryneia village in 1996] and the chairman of continuing late Turkish Cypriot leader Rauf Denktas’ ideas, Latif Akca.

According to the paper, Akin said for Derya on Facebook that “she is a poor woman who could not have her share as a woman and wants to be raped”. A person named Rifat Yildiz wrote for Derya that “How old was she then? If she had been raped, she would not have talked like this”. Another person named Kemal Ozkan Cakiror wrote: “This woman went beyond the line. I wish for one of the soldiers to rape her and close her mouth”.

Meanwhile, Derya said that she is preparing to file a lawsuit against some former “deputies” and representatives of nationalist organizations who used all these insulting words for her.

Furthermore, persons and organizations expressed their support yesterday to Derya. According to Havadis, CTP’s women organization condemned the attack against its member, who, they said, “is not alone” in this. They said that they will not remain silent in front of the circles, who call for war and are reminiscent of fascism, pointing out that war brought suffering and pain to both communities, which were actually defeated in that war.

Moreover, Turkish Cypriot daily Kibris Postasi newspaper (17.12.14) reports that Mustafa Akinci, candidate in the forthcoming “elections”, also expressed support to Derya, noting that “we must not be afraid of facing the truth” and described as “ugly swearwords” the insults against Derya. Akinci wrote on his social media account the following: “Another traumatic reality of wars is the raping of women. Wars have happened in Cyprus and all these were experienced. Many Greek Cypriot women experienced pregnancies which they did not want and were forced to make abortions. Those of us who were grown-ups in the 1974 period know this reality”.

Meanwhile, Kibris Postasi announced that it has decided that as of today it will not publish statements made by persons who affronted Derya.

Turkish Cypriot daily Afrika newspaper (17.12.14) refers to the issue under the banner front-page title “Rapists” and argued that those who wrote all these about Derya must immediately be sent away from the occupied area of Cyprus. ..."
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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby bill cobbett » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:52 pm

Here is an account in English by kibrispostasi...

... " KP Daily News - Exclusive

Kıbrıs Postası will no longer give space to the persons who flooded the internet with obscene invectives against CTP-MP Doğuş Derya after her remarks at the parliament where she called upon everyone to recognize that all the communities of the island have suffered from the conflict.

Speaking during yesterday’s budgetary discussions at the parliament CTP-MP Doğuş Derya took the floor and reminded that it was not only Turkish Cypriots who suffered during and after the bloody conflicts in Cyprus but Greek Cypriots, Armenian Cypriots and Maronites also suffered great losses during the war. In her remarks Derya urged everyone to recognize the fact that there was no winner in any war and added that in order to progress forward everyone should empathized with other communities’ losses. Derya also criticized the nationalist rhetoric against federal solution in Cyprus and said that federal solution was actually a Turkish Cypriot proposal. However later, Derya’s remarks calling for a peaceful and forgiving approach to the Cyprus problem were distorted and were made target of obscene invectives.

The persons who publicly attacked Derya and provoked an aggressive and obscene reaction among their supporters were namely: Bertan Zaroğlu “TRNC Association of People from Hatay”, Former Minister of Agriculture Kenan Akın, Leader of Association for Rauf Raif Denktas’ Ideology Latif Akca and anyone who attacks with similar racist and sexist invectives. Kıbrıs Postası’s decision to not publish any press releases, statemenst and news from these individuals was welcomed by many on social media with a growing reaction against the persons who flooded internet with obscene invectives against Derya..."


http://www.kpdailynews.com/index.php/ca ... LOCAL_NEWS
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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:30 pm

...in my mind, very hopeful, it appears as though the lines are being drawn so that a real opposition can develop to the regime that is so set on developing "Turkishness", rather than a respect for the Universal Principals any "People" have grown to expect anywhere else in the world.

thanks bill, glad you posted about this; i'll be watching (soon enough) how she does in the upcoming elections...
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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby bill cobbett » Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:48 am

Don't think she's standing RW.

A leading CY trades-unionist up there calls for the foul-mouthed Zaroglu of the "anatolian settlers org" to be sent packing.

"... General Secretary of CTP-BG Kutlay Erk slammed the obscene invectives directed against Doğuş Derya and called for denaturalization of president of “Association of Solidarity and Culture of People from Hatay” Bertan Zaroğlu’s citizenship.

Zaroğlu was among the first who flooded social media with obscene invectives and threats directed against Doğuş Derya following her remarks during yesterday's budgetary discussion at the parliament, in which she called everyone to recognize other communities’ sufferings in order to build a peaceful future. ..."


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You're very quiet Brother Lardo.
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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby Lordo » Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:25 pm

i got bad news for you boys, she is sitting down in the next elections. no standing see.
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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby bill cobbett » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:56 pm

Unlike our brother Pesevengho, Yorgancioglu isn't treating the remarks lightly and has quite rightly condemned the outrageous comments.

(reported in KP...)

"... On the verbal attacks on Dogus Derya, the "prime minister" said this was unfair and inappropriate; he condemned the attacks and said it was wrong that "MPs" words were exploited in this way. ..."
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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby Lordo » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:46 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Unlike our brother Pesevengho, Yorgancioglu isn't treating the remarks lightly and has quite rightly condemned the outrageous comments.

(reported in KP...)

"... On the verbal attacks on Dogus Derya, the "prime minister" said this was unfair and inappropriate; he condemned the attacks and said it was wrong that "MPs" words were exploited in this way. ..."

oi wash your mouth with soap before mentioning the name quiltcoverson. if you wanted to pass him a message, i would be glad to oblige.
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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby bill cobbett » Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:07 pm

We're still waiting brother Lardo, for you to do the right thing and like Yorgancioglu and an increasing number of others up there, condemn the outrageous attacks on Dogus.
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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby bill cobbett » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:24 am

Whilst we're hoping against hope for brother Lardo to show his support...

Here's the headline from yesterday's AFRIKA...
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Re: Filthy Comments Against Dogus Derya

Postby bill cobbett » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:37 pm

Update on this matter, which is the big news on the other side of the tracks this week... and getting bigger.

Supporters of Ms Derya took over what passes as a "parliament" in "trnc" for several minutes, with scuffles with security.

Denktas Jnr has commented that people should be mindful of their language, but in his statement he was more concerned about the poss damage to the reputation of the TA (which he calls something like "the turkish piss corps").

The matter has also gone "international" with a Turkish AKP member, a chap called Omer Faruk Oz ,who is head of the "Turkey-'trnc"Inter-parliamentary Friendship Group issuing a ridiculous demand for Ms Derya to apologise for her remarks...!!!

He went as far as to congratulate those who had posted the most obscene comments that we've seen over the past few days...!!!

Oz went on to say she had no right blaming the Turkish military and accused Ms Derya of disrespect towards the Turkish nation and TA.

In response, the ever great and brave CY, Sener Levent, has reacted robustly against these ridiculous comments and via AFRIKA says (according to a CY PIO summary)...

"... Under the title “You are the one that should apologize”, Turkish Cypriot daily Afrika newspaper (19.12.14) refers to the statement made yesterday by the Justice and Development Party (AKP) Deputy and Turkish Grand National Assembly’s (TBMM) Administrator, Omer Faruk Oz regarding the Republican Turkish Party’s (CTP) “deputy” Dogus Derya, who had stated that Greek Cypriot women had also been raped in 1974 and Greek Cypriots also suffered like the Turkish Cypriots, Armenians and Maronites.

Recalling that Oz described Derya’s statements as “immoral” and called on her to apologize or else he would file a lawsuit against her, the paper reports, inter alia, the following: “[…] We wonder, to whom he will file this criminal complaint? To the TRNC police and attorney general’s office? And our police and attorney will get into action, take Dogus’ deposition and try her afterwards by lifting her immunity. Is that so?

Then why are you waiting sir? Start immediately. Dogus will not apologize to you. Do not wait in vain, because she did nothing to apologize for. She only said the realities which you still do not want to accept. She only should be rewarded not punished, because she had the courage to say these. […]

What do you think? You think that the Turkish army invaded the island and did not even touch the unarmed innocent Greek Cypriots? Is that so? It did not rape women. It protected them with compassion! Go on! Do not wait. Run to the court.

Let us open this file of the rapes thanks to you.

Let all the world come and watch. Let us see how many Greek Cypriot women will come and testify in this court.

No one, he (Oz) says, could accuse the Turkish army of raping. Why is that? All armies in the world are rapists and only the Turkish army is innocent? Only the Turkish army is as pure as the driven snow? If there is someone who should apologize, that is you. Look Japan apologized after 65 years for the rapes of British women by Japanese soldiers. You are not Japanese. You are Turk. Or more correctly, you are Ottoman! If the Japanese are told that they are bribed, they commit hara-kiri. You, however, hang those who tell you that! […]” ..."
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