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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:49 pm

Lordo wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:mavros Lazaros belo koLordo

if you boys used normal letters we would all be able to read it, i cant help you being special needs can i.


That is an insult to people with special needs. You are an unredeemble Shit for making such remarks.
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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby Lordo » Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:38 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:mavros Lazaros belo koLordo

if you boys used normal letters we would all be able to read it, i cant help you being special needs can i.


That is an insult to people with special needs. You are an unredeemble Shit for making such remarks.

really you do not see the insult coming my way and see what i said as insult. i am lost for words and really feel sorry for you.
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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:05 pm

Lordo wrote:there is nothing wrong with it. are you stupid or stupider.

here is the new griik euro coin.


Of course there is nothing wrong with Service Pensions and the vast majority of tax payers support them.

If a country sends its young to war, any war, or someone puts 20 years or more of service, then a service pension is due and well earned!

Not just that but they are tax free, not asset tested, and the recipient can also have free medical, free dental, and subsidized utilities.

You're such an arse!
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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby kurupetos » Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:53 pm

Lordo wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:mavros Lazaros belo koLordo

if you boys used normal letters we would all be able to read it, i cant help you being special needs can i.


That is an insult to people with special needs. You are an unredeemble Shit for making such remarks.

really you do not see the insult coming my way and see what i said as insult. i am lost for words and really feel sorry for you.

A dog fight? :shock: Is it allowed in CF? :lol:
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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:34 pm

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supporttheunderdog wrote:
Greece's challenge is and has always been one of competitiveness and bureaucratic impediments to create businesses and jobs.



Greece's challenge is the hyper-powerful Germany oozing corruption through every pore!

For example:

German electronics company Siemens has agreed to pay about 270 million euro to the Greek state in order to settle a legal action over bribing Greek officials.

Siemens has officially apologized to Greek people for corrupt practices used by the firm in the past.

In response, the Greek Government promised not to file any further claims against the company and allow it to bid for new orders.


Furthermore:

It wasn’t the first time Siemens was involved in a corruption scandal. The company paid about 1 billion euro in penalties for bribery accusations in the US and Germany. Several German companies including Daimler, Ferrostaal, Deutsche Bahn and Deutsche Telekom have been accused in bribing officials around the world.


http://rt.com/business/siemens-greece-b ... yment-596/


The transparency grading of corruption in countries has once again been shown to be a sham! The richest buy their way to the top it seems.

Yet again, another 'squeaky clean' German company caught corrupting the system set up for something as basic as cleaner air: :roll:

Volkswagen has suffered a shocking loss of credibility after conspiring to violate US pollution laws and dupe customers on a systemic scale.
The scandal has once again exposed a culture of corrupt practices at the top of German export industry.

"Bribes were tax-deductible in Germany until 1997, reflecting the general attitude that whatever went on in foreign markets was fair game"
The scandal is intrinsically worse than the explosion of BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico in 2010. While BP and its contractors may have been negligent, VW appears to have engaged in a cynical plan to trick regulators in a wholesale breach of the US Clean Air Act.

“‘Made in Germany’ in the gutter,” said German newspaper Bundesdeutsche Zeitung.


The actual release of these toxic particles – blamed for emphysema and respiratory diseases – is in reality 40 times above the acceptable levels imposed by the US Environmental Protection Agency.

The US press is already calling VW the “Lance Armstrong” of the car market, an apt allusion to drug cheating in sport, and a deadly epithet in an industry where brand image and goodwill are the lifeblood of sales.

The suspicion is that other car companies with diesel models may also be cutting corners, much as the Libor scandal in the City of London revealed common practices by other parts of the banking industry.

It is barely a decade since it came to light that VW – still 20pc owned by the state of Lower Saxony - had set up front companies in India and the Czech Republic to win contracts.
Volkswagen touched a raw nerve on the German Left by using slush funds to compromise union members on the works council with extravagant trips abroad and visits to brothels, at a time when the company was pushing through a wage freeze. That scandal led to a purge of senior management and a prison sentence for one member of the board.


Volkswagen is not the only German group that has lurched from scandal to scandal. The chairman of the engineering giant Siemens was forced to resign in 2007 following the exposure of bribery on an epic scale, though the company has since sought to clean out the Augean Stables.
A Siemens official revealed that he had run a bribery budget of €40m a year through a network of secret accounts from Venezuela, to Israel, Italy and Vietnam. He described overseas pay-offs as the company’s “business model”.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/econ ... ating.html

Good grief, Gottfried! :roll:
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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby cypriotnado » Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:56 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
Greece's challenge is and has always been one of competitiveness and bureaucratic impediments to create businesses and jobs.



Greece's challenge is the hyper-powerful Germany oozing corruption through every pore!

For example:

German electronics company Siemens has agreed to pay about 270 million euro to the Greek state in order to settle a legal action over bribing Greek officials.

Siemens has officially apologized to Greek people for corrupt practices used by the firm in the

In response, the Greek Government promised not to file any further claims against the company and allow it to bid for new orders.


Furthermore:

It wasn’t the first time Siemens was involved in a corruption scandal. The company paid about 1 billion euro in penalties for bribery accusations in the US and Germany. Several German companies including Daimler, Ferrostaal, Deutsche Bahn and Deutsche Telekom have been accused in bribing officials around the world.


http://rt.com/business/siemens-greece-b ... yment-596/


The transparency grading of corruption in countries has once again been shown to be a sham! The richest buy their way to the top it seems.

Yet again, another 'squeaky clean' German company caught corrupting the system set up for something as basic as cleaner air: :roll:

Volkswagen has suffered a shocking loss of credibility after conspiring to violate US pollution laws and dupe customers on a systemic scale.
The scandal has once again exposed a culture of corrupt practices at the top of German export industry.

"Bribes were tax-deductible in Germany until 1997, reflecting the general attitude that whatever went on in foreign markets was fair game"
The scandal is intrinsically worse than the explosion of BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico in 2010. While BP and its contractors may have been negligent, VW appears to have engaged in a cynical plan to trick regulators in a wholesale breach of the US Clean Air Act.

“‘Made in Germany’ in the gutter,” said German newspaper Bundesdeutsche Zeitung.


The actual release of these toxic particles – blamed for emphysema and respiratory diseases – is in reality 40 times above the acceptable levels imposed by the US Environmental Protection Agency.

The US press is already calling VW the “Lance Armstrong” of the car market, an apt allusion to drug cheating in sport, and a deadly epithet in an industry where brand image and goodwill are the lifeblood of sales.

The suspicion is that other car companies with diesel models may also be cutting corners, much as the Libor scandal in the City of London revealed common practices by other parts of the banking industry.

It is barely a decade since it came to light that VW – still 20pc owned by the state of Lower Saxony - had set up front companies in India and the Czech Republic to win contracts.
Volkswagen touched a raw nerve on the German Left by using slush funds to compromise union members on the works council with extravagant trips abroad and visits to brothels, at a time when the company was pushing through a wage freeze. That scandal led to a purge of senior management and a prison sentence for one member of the board.


Volkswagen is not the only German group that has lurched from scandal to scandal. The chairman of the engineering giant Siemens was forced to resign in 2007 following the exposure of bribery on an epic scale, though the company has since sought to clean out the Augean Stables.
A Siemens official revealed that he had run a bribery budget of €40m a year through a network of secret accounts from Venezuela, to Israel, Italy and Vietnam. He described overseas pay-offs as the company’s “business model”.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/econ ... ating.html

Good grief, Gottfried! :roll:



How desperate are you quoting from the Russkie press and Telegraph. ( and you being a so called Guardian reader ) your so tunnel visioned ... Greece...Greece, it's all so BORING and repetitive. Change the bloody record. Be grateful they bailed out your shithole Greece to the tune of billions ....you silly Frau! Oh and and not forgetting .....hic
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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby DrCyprus » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:05 pm

We can slowly chip away at their huge corporate level advantage by investing in/buying products from start ups that specialise in new yet useful technologies such as civilian drones, renewable energies, 3d printers e.t.c

If we want corporations to acquire a conscience we have to vote with our money.
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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Sep 25, 2015 2:02 am

DrCyprus wrote:We can slowly chip away at their huge corporate level advantage by investing in/buying products from start ups that specialise in new yet useful technologies such as civilian drones, renewable energies, 3d printers e.t.c

If we want corporations to acquire a conscience we have to vote with our money.


...well said.
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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Sep 25, 2015 3:24 pm

headline in another news paper
DrCyprus wrote:We can slowly chip away at their huge corporate level advantage by investing in/buying products from start ups that specialise in new yet useful technologies such as civilian drones, renewable energies, 3d printers e.t.c

If we want corporations to acquire a conscience we have to vote with our money.
Greece’s Tsipras says reforms, debt relief are priority

http://cyprus-mail.com/2015/09/25/greeces-tsipras-says-reforms-debt-relief-are-priority/

They are toeing the EU line
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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:20 pm

And it all starts again, at least on the part of the gutter press:

[url]http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/650508/EUROZONE-CHAOS-Greece-financial-meltdown-AGAIN-threatening-future-euro[/url

Some might say that collapsing the Euro is a good thing and on that basis, by their logic Greece IS Europe's only hope of a change for good... May I say that though I have some concerns over the "one size fits all" philosophy when it is more like "one size does not quite fit anybody very well, but fits some better than other", I have no particular desire to see Greece forced out of the Euro or for the Euro to collapse and would far prefer that Greece had a sound economy, with prudent government spending. ( I am not convinced a Greek fiat currency would solve the problems).

The Express is of course a particularly unreliable news paper notoriously anti-EU so definitely biased against the Euro...
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