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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby erolz66 » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:00 pm

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murder of innocents just because of they were TC by the interior minster


Do you have any proof that the minister (Giorkatjis?) was responsible for the murder of innocents? ... I assume that by innocents you don't mean TC militia.


Are you serious ?
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby Sotos » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:18 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Sotos wrote:
murder of innocents just because of they were TC by the interior minster


Do you have any proof that the minister (Giorkatjis?) was responsible for the murder of innocents? ... I assume that by innocents you don't mean TC militia.


Are you serious ?


Of course I am.I am ready to be convinced but a quick search online didn't return anything concrete. So if you have the proof why not just post the links?
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby erolz66 » Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:59 pm

Sotos wrote:Of course I am.I am ready to be convinced


no you are not. You are ready to have a long drawn out refutation of any and all evidence presented. I have no interest in your game.

Sotos wrote:but a quick search online didn't return anything concrete. So if you have the proof why not just post the links?


You believe what you like Sotos. If your idea of 'research' is doing a 'quick search online' then so be it. I HAVE done my research, real research and I am not going to play your game. Though if you really do want to play such games how about you show me concrete proof that Hitler personally order the killing of Jews and I will play your part, 'cause I have done a quick search online and it didn't return anything concrete'. And no I am NOT comparing Yiorjardis with Hitler. I AM comparing YOU with someone on a forum saying 'I am ready to be convinced but I did a quick online search and did not find any concrete proof the Hitler himself ordered the killing of Jews so if you have proof why not just post the links'.

But just in case I am being unfair to you and you really are unaware of who this man was and what he did and you genuinely want to know more then I suggest you do your own research, real research and start by talking to people who were alive when he was, a range of them with different perspectives. In short educate yourself for yourself.
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby Lordo » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:19 am

perhaps a gc here explains to you who the akritas team was and what they did. who grivas babadobillos samson magarios clerides lagodondis goshis and a few other heads of eoka in the 60s were and what they did, but i suspect zizziro news is asleep. it is deep winter now. the only time it wakes up if there is something to attact tcs with.


i suppose you could just read the books by drousiotis and will get all the facts you need, but i get a feeling asshole like is just too stupid.
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby Sotos » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:33 am

I am not playing any games! I searched in Greek, I found nothing. I searched in English ... still nothing apart from some allegations without any evidence. It doesn't help that in English his surname can be spelled in a million different ways. So if you have done the research on this then why is it so hard to offer some links?? I made a search about if Hitler personally ordered the killing of Jews. Apparently there is no consensus...
Historians differ as to where the responsibility for the Holocaust lies. Intentionalist historians such as Lucy Dawidowicz argue that Adolf Hitler planned the extermination of the Jewish people from as early as 1918, and that he personally oversaw its execution. Functionalists such as Raul Hilberg have argued that the extermination plans evolved in stages, as a result of initiatives from bureaucrats who were responding to other policy failures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibi ... _Holocaust
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby Lordo » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:18 am

you are getting somewhere. now find historians who investigated he cyprus problem and bingo.
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby Nikitas » Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:34 am

ErolZ comments above

"Can it not be argued that under the conditions where the government that claims to represent you uses illegal murder against you for no other reason that your ethnicity and those committing these acts have no fear of having to face prosecution it is impossible to accept a solution that leaves these people in charge of you ?"

PRECISELY!!! Which is why these people will NOT be in charge. That is if you genuinely want this BBF thing, which will give you your own ethnically pure, elected by you regional government, your own ARMED police and Turkey just minutes away by jet bomber and helicopter gunships. Why do you then insist on a contingent of the amry that murdered 4500 people, hid and moved mass graves, refused to enforce basic military law and arrest rapists and looters, to remain here?

Where is your empathy for the other side? The TCs lost 400 dead in intercommunal fighting and have some 600 missing and that justifies the permanent posting of the TA in Cypurs.

The GCs lost 4500 dead at a minimum, and 1700 missing. And that justifies, proporionately, having a the whole of the Greek army stationed here. Something that not a single GC politician has asked for.

So far i have not hear a single TC voice agreeing with many GCs who say that both motherlands are a scourge to the island and they should both be excluded. I wonder how the TC community has been so eroded and suborned that it can turn traitor as a whole.
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby Lordo » Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:44 am

never mind erol what about sotos. can you give some advice about gerogadjis the murderer. where he can find his information that is. go on you you want to.
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby kurupetos » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:22 am

Lordo wrote:never mind erol what about sotos. can you give some advice about gerogadjis the murderer. where he can find his information that is. go on you you want to.

Go ask his son... the mayor. :wink:
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby Lordo » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:58 am

perhaps sotos can sod off and ask him. why don you join him in sodding offffffffffffffffffffffffffff.
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