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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby erolz66 » Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:46 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote: Turks go back to where your ancestors came from - turkish grandfathers and ottoman great-grandfathers - NONE of THEM were Cypriots and nor are you, so-called "TCs", who still occupy our Greek land!


There we have in a nut shell the Cyprus problem and the kind of mentality that has got Cyprus where it is today. Until those of us who want a better unified Cyprus learn how to isolate and marginalise extremist views like this and those that espouse them, on both sides, there can be little hope for a better future.

Denktash Jan 1974 wrote:We are part of Cyprus. You can't throw us out. So accommodate us. Let us accommodate ourselves. We don't want much. But we don't want to be 'not wanted'. That is the difficulty. For years we have been told by words and by action that we are not wanted in Cyprus, that Cyprus is not ours.
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:02 pm

Turks are ONLY in Cyprus because of Invading Cyprus - again and again! The most recent invasion being - NOW!

Ergo, Turks are NOT Cypriots!
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby Paphitis » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:02 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote: Turks go back to where your ancestors came from - turkish grandfathers and ottoman great-grandfathers - NONE of THEM were Cypriots and nor are you, so-called "TCs", who still occupy our Greek land!


There we have in a nut shell the Cyprus problem and the kind of mentality that has got Cyprus where it is today. Until those of us who want a better unified Cyprus learn how to isolate and marginalise extremist views like this and those that espouse them, on both sides, there can be little hope for a better future.

Denktash Jan 1974 wrote:We are part of Cyprus. You can't throw us out. So accommodate us. Let us accommodate ourselves. We don't want much. But we don't want to be 'not wanted'. That is the difficulty. For years we have been told by words and by action that we are not wanted in Cyprus, that Cyprus is not ours.


You're both as bad as each other!
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby erolz66 » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:24 pm

Paphitis wrote:You're both as bad as each other!


No Paphitis we are not. That you can not see how much worse GiG is than me is part of the problem here (on this forum and in Cyprus in general).
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby Maximus » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:31 pm

Both sides have their roots in different civilizations. The Truth is the mentality of both sides, on a broad spectrum, runs in parallel and is different. Both cant be Cypriot. You cant be Cypriot and separate at the same time.

I will only view a "TC" as a Cypriot if they support a single unified democratic European state. They can be Turk with a Cypriot nationality if they want, but only as long as they support the EU acquis and democracy. Only if they support the end of Turkeys occupation of the northern third of the island and respect everyone's legal right to their property. Only if they drop the guarantor crap.
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby erolz66 » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:43 pm

Maximus wrote:I will only view a "TC" as a Cypriot if they support a single unified democratic European state. They can be Turk with a Cypriot nationality if they want, but only as long as they support the EU acquis and democracy. Only if they support the end of Turkeys occupation of the northern third of the island and respect everyone's legal right to their property. Only if they drop the guarantor crap.


And all I ask in order to happily support that (single unified democratic European state) as the son of a Cypriot who spoke Turkish, is that if GC decide they want a future where they will not be Cypriot by nationality and seek to destroy the very existence of Cyprus as a single unified democratic European state in its own right because they are Greek, they do not do so without having to pay any regard for my wishes as a Cypriot who is not Greek and does not want to see the destruction of an independent Cypriot state and nation. Throw in not being constantly, relentlessly and repeatedly told that I am not a 'real' Cypriot and we are done, settled and can live happily ever after.
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby Maximus » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:49 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Maximus wrote:I will only view a "TC" as a Cypriot if they support a single unified democratic European state. They can be Turk with a Cypriot nationality if they want, but only as long as they support the EU acquis and democracy. Only if they support the end of Turkeys occupation of the northern third of the island and respect everyone's legal right to their property. Only if they drop the guarantor crap.


And all I ask in order to happily support that (single unified democratic European state) as the son of a Cypriot who spoke Turkish, is that if GC decide they want a future where they will not be Cypriot by nationality and seek to destroy the very existence of Cyprus as a single unified democratic European state in its own right because they are Greek, they do not do so without having to pay any regard for my wishes as a Cypriot who is not Greek and does not want to see the destruction of an independent Cypriot state and nation. Throw in not being constantly, relentlessly and repeatedly told that I am not a 'real' Cypriot and we are done, settled and can live happily ever after.


Well, everyone is going to be in it together. That is inclusion, that is democracy, whether the minority agrees or not. That is being Cypriot.

Anything else is separate.
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:56 pm

erolz66 wrote: ... the kind of mentality that has got Cyprus where it is today.


It's not our "mentality" that has gotten us where we are today but the fact we were unfortunate enough to be INVADED by otto-Turks!
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:57 pm

erolz66 wrote: ... you can not see how much worse GiG is than me ...


Says the person who supports the illegal Turkish occupation and ethnic cleansing of half a country!
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby erolz66 » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:21 pm

Maximus wrote: Well, everyone is going to be in it together. That is inclusion, that is democracy, whether the minority agrees or not. That is being Cypriot.


We can not simply be 'in it together' when what 'you' seek (sought) was the non existence of the thing we are 'in it together' as. Seeking the non existence of the thing we are 'in it together' is not inclusion, it is separation by definition.
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