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[erolz66]

...whilst blaming the Greeks for "allowing" it to happen.

I did not say that. As ever you take what I have said and having filtered it through your own prejudice and bigotry you then change it into something I did not say. Same old same old.

[GreekIslandGirl]

...whilst blaming the Greeks for "allowing" it to happen.

I did not say that. As ever you take what I have said and having filtered it through your own prejudice and bigotry you then change it into something I did not say. Same old same old.

Typical. You say too much in too many posts and when someone susses your tack, you back down. Sorry, your U-turn is not accepted:

What did you say? Look up the context of your blame for occupying Cyprus ...

...the kind of mentality that has got Cyprus where it is today...

... seek to understand why it happened, was allowed to happen and continues to this day. Those with your mentality are a major part of it happening, why it was allowed to happen and why it continues today.

My prejudice is against people who occupy the land of others.

My bigotry is against thieves and invaders.

Your aim is to take and help secure your gains, is it not? And perhaps for us to say 'well done, you deserve it all'... 'our mentailty allowed it to happen'

[erolz66]

Notice the use of "homeland" as part of the practiced rhetoric. Oh how easy it is for supposed "Cypriot" TCs to grab the land of native Greeks and instantly make it their "homeland".

What makes Cyprus my 'homeland' is that my it is the land my father was born in and grew up in, and his mother and father before him and theirs before that. My family did not grab land from GC and certainly not from Greeks. My father was as 'native' to Cyprus and any other Cypriot, GC, TC or any other type of Cypriot. You drip with the same hatred, bigotry and belief in your own ethnic superiority that has made Cyprus the mess it is today.

[GreekIslandGirl]

What makes Cyprus my 'homeland' is that my it is the land my father was born in and grew up in

Yes, but they were sons of invaders. Cyprus was not their 'homeland' (they were not native) so it is not yours, especially since you were not born here and only call it your "homeland" since Turkey occupied and re-invaded in 1974.

You are deluding yourself. Wanting it all.

homeland - noun
a person's or a people's native land.
A state, region, or territory that is closely identified with a particular people or ethnic group.

Cyprus is identified with native Greeks (not Turks) and that is why Turkey attacks it and tries to change it and why your rhetoric has moved to embrace the word "homeland" - historical revisionism.

[erolz66]

...whilst blaming the Greeks for "allowing" it to happen.

I did not say that. As ever you take what I have said and having filtered it through your own prejudice and bigotry you then change it into something I did not say. Same old same old.

Typical. You say too much in too many posts and when someone susses your tack, you back down. Sorry, your U-turn is not accepted:

There is no u turn and no backing down. I simply never said I blame greeks for allowing it to happen. It is just a fact that I did not say this. It is there in black and white that I did not say this. That you THINK I said this is your problem not mine.

What did you say? Look up the context of your blame for occupying Cyprus ...

I know exactly what I said. It is there in black and white and it is not what you claim I said.

...the kind of mentality that has got Cyprus where it is today...

My prejudice is against people who occupy the land of others.

My bigotry is against thieves and invaders.

Your bigotry pre dates the events of 74. It is no different to what people like you said BEFORE 74. It is what played such a large part in why things that happened in 74 happened as they did. It is not the result of what happened in 74 it is a major part of the cause of what happened in 74.

Your aim is to take and help secure your gains, is it not?

No actually my aim as far as I have one is to understand where we as Cypriots went so wrong in the past that we have ended up where we are today with an idealistic hope that we can from the understanding find a future that is better than that past. It is just a fact that in the 10+ years I have lived in Cyprus I have done more than most and certainly more than you, by actually action, to foster and promote and work for reconciliation and unity in Cyprus.

[GreekIslandGirl]

... to understand where we as Cypriots went so wrong in the past ...

You refused equality and democracy. The rest is rhetoric and excuses to substantiate your greed and need.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Your bigotry pre dates the events of 74.

Turkey bombing and napalming Paphos in 1964 is off your radar ...

[Sotos]

reason you are not wanted and you are hated in such a degree is exactly because you want way too much and you don't mind using force (together with Turkey) to get what you want.

Not wanting to have our (shared) homeland given to a what was to us a foreign power after then end of colonial rule, without any consideration for our wishes is 'way too much' is it ? Did 'you' not show a ready willingness to use force (together with Greece) at least equal to ours to try and get what you wanted ?

in the forum who are against the occupation and the unfair demands of the Turkish side and those TCs we consider our friends.

I do not think expecting to have a say in what happens to my own shared homeland separate from you, if and when and only if and when what you seek is to end the existence of our shared homeland as a independent state, is an 'unfair demand'. I think demanding that you have a right to impose the non existence of our shared homeland as an independent state on us with no regard for our wishes is unfair and unreasonable.

Only a racist would hate Kikapu, and our share racists is not any higher than yours or of any other population.

Who said anything about hating kikapu or calling him racist ? Certainly not me.

You were not merely asking for your wishes to be "considered"... you wanted the wishes of your 18% to take precedent over the wishes of the 82%!! So yes... for an 18% of the population which has a history on this island which is only a small fraction of ours what you were demanding was too much. And your unfair demands didn't end there. That is just one of the many unfair demands that you had/have... like 30% of public servants, 40% of police/army, veto powers, separate municipalities... and later even more, like partition or loose federation with you keeping 30% of the land, 50% power share... or even with what is happening more recently with the natural gas SOUTH of Cyprus! It is the Turkish attitude and actions against us that got us where we are today... the anti-Turkish mentality is merely a natural consequence.

P.S You didn't get what I wrote about Kikapu but anyways.

[erolz66]

What makes Cyprus my 'homeland' is that my it is the land my father was born in and grew up in

Yes, but they were sons of invaders. Cyprus was not their 'homeland' (they were not native) so it is not yours, especially since you were not born here and only call it your "homeland" since Turkey occupied and re-invaded in 1974.

You are deluding yourself. Wanting it all.

homeland - noun
a person's or a people's native land.
A state, region, or territory that is closely identified with a particular people or ethnic group.

Cyprus is identified with native Greeks (not Turks) and that is why Turkey attacks it and tries to change it and why your rhetoric has moved to embrace the word "homeland" - historical revisionism.

The story of Cyprus as an independent nation and state is one of a singular failure of the two main communities there to find a shared identity as Cypriots with that abject failure leading to conflict between those two communities. We failed to do that at the end of British rule and we are failing to do it today. You and the views you express above are part of that failure , part of the problem. The sooner such nonsense is condemned and marginalised by true Cypriots on all sides, with 'true' meaning those who WANT to find a Cypriot identity that transcends our differences, the better for Cyprus and true Cypriots.

Wanting it 'all' is telling me you just want an independent democratic Cyprus state and nation where we are all equal and where I also have to accept that I am not a true Cypriot or even a Cypriot at all, Cyprus is not my homeland , that Cyprus is (belongs to) Greece and always has and always will. That truly is wanting it all and it is exactly the sort of madness, not just from GC but from TC as well, that has got us into this mess and sustains it.

[erolz66]

You refused equality and democracy.

We refused to accept that you alone could deicide not just for yourselves but also for us that our country should not exist as a nation and state that we shared together following the end of British rule but would in fact be given to and ruled by Greece. That is not the same as refusing equality and democracy.