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The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby bigOz » Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:05 am

Before you shoot the messenger, this is a documentary made by Greek scholars, supported by their English counterparts. So if you have not watched it before, I suggest you hold on to your seat tightly and click the linked - YOU WILL BE SHOCKED my fellow countrymen! I hope it will also be an answer to many endless and pointless arguments here!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M99ze151HvA

Well done to those learned Greeks who made the documentary! This is how societies may build a peaceful co-existance - not based on insults, lies and false history!
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby Get Real! » Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:26 am

That’s something for “Greece/Greek lovers” but doesn’t affect me. :lol:

To me Turks and Greeks are just Balkan gypsies of the same blood and of a low caste.

No respect for either of you...
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Postby Paphitis » Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:27 am

What he said above ^^^^

Having grown up in the Australian Country with old fashion values, conservatism and racism I have come to the realization that racism is a valid response.

The Australians had every right to feel superior as do Cypriots.
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby bigOz » Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:40 am

Get Real! wrote:That’s something for “Greece/Greek lovers” but doesn’t affect me. :lol:

To me Turks and Greeks are just Balkan gypsies of the same blood and of a low caste.

No respect for either of you...


I am Cypriot born and raised like my grandfathers in Cyprus! Just like the Turks who who got massacred in Greek islands, mainland Greece and Athens, the land where we born and grow up is our country We got massacred by the fanatic EOKA-B supporters (led by mainland Greek generals) back in 1963 and 1974. But even your own politicians accepted in recent past that your history books taught to GC youth is wrong.

This is what I had already realised in my arguments with many younger members of this forum. The fact is, it does not matter who murdered who - important thing is to admit to what happened and openly declare that it was wrong. Then you have the people thinking! People always complain about Ottomans converting Aghia Sophia into a mosque and doing the same to couple of them in Cyprus. Why cry wolf when hundreds of mosques were destroyed in Greece (not to mention mosques and Muslim graveyards in Cyprus)? I agree two wrongs do not make a right, but nevertheless, would it not be better to know the true history and not put the blame for everything on the other party? Would that not help people take care of a more peaceful future without the repetition of the past mistakes and atrocities?

Around 8 years ago or more I remember I had a long exchange of views with D.... (he is a friend of yours), around the time when you had a meeting with some of the TCs across the border. What I had always said was the need for a new cultural revolution in Cyprus, where the two communities would be kept separate in some federal state for a decade or two, while the schools teach children correct Cyprus history, rather than exaggerated one sided history books perpetuating different nationalisms and incomplete historical facts. The religious houses and their priests would be warned off from preaching hatred against another ethnic group, and perhaps after another 15 to 20 years Cyprus problem itself would become history as a result of Cypriots trusting each other even more. I think that has been partially achieved today but there are still many who are unhappy about Cyprus not being a Greek island...
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby miltiades » Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:02 am

History will never eradicate the " Greekness" of the vast majority of the Cypriot people, language, religion, cultural festivities etc, any more than an eradication of the T/C "Turkishness ".

What we Cypriots ought to strive for is an awareness that this island is the TRUE motherland of all of our people, become proud of our Cypriotness, and endeavour to create a common political arena that would embrace all Cypriots, an arena that will be totally Cypriot, a political party based on the UK system allowing Welsh, Scots or English to be at the helm of a democratic system and maybe one day we could achieve this.

Those of us who have had the opportunity to acquaint our selves with each other, G/Cs and T/Cs , understand that our only difference is the erroneously conceived idea that we have not a nation but are part of either Greece or Turkey.

I have yet to meet a T/C here in the UK whom I would consider as my foe, indeed none that I know would consider themselves as anything other than Cypriot.

Surely history has taught us a bitter lesson, surely we must now realize that without these two foreign counties interference, Cyprus would be the true paradise here on earth.

We are one people, one nation, lets be proud of this irrefutable fact.
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby bigOz » Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:11 am

miltiades wrote:History will never eradicate the " Greekness" of the vast majority of the Cypriot people, language, religion, cultural festivities etc, any more than an eradication of the T/C "Turkishness ".

What we Cypriots ought to strive for is an awareness that this island is the TRUE motherland of all of our people, become proud of our Cypriotness, and endeavour to create a common political arena that would embrace all Cypriots, an arena that will be totally Cypriot, a political party based on the UK system allowing Welsh, Scots or English to be at the helm of a democratic system and maybe one day we could achieve this.

Those of us who have had the opportunity to acquaint our selves with each other, G/Cs and T/Cs , understand that our only difference is the erroneously conceived idea that we have not a nation but are part of either Greece or Turkey.

I have yet to meet a T/C here in the UK whom I would consider as my foe, indeed none that I know would consider themselves as anything other than Cypriot.

Surely history has taught us a bitter lesson, surely we must now realize that without these two foreign counties interference, Cyprus would be the true paradise here on earth.

We are one people, one nation, lets be proud of this irrefutable fact.


Well said Miltiades! My exact sentiments... :)
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby Sotos » Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:32 am

I am Cypriot born and raised like my grandfathers in Cyprus! Just like the Turks who who got massacred in Greek islands, mainland Greece and Athens, the land where we born and grow up is our country We got massacred by the fanatic EOKA-B supporters (led by mainland Greek generals) back in 1963 and 1974. But even your own politicians accepted in recent past that your history books taught to GC youth is wrong.


And what were the Turks doing on the Greek mainland and Greek islands in the first place? You invaded our territories to take our lands and oppress us... you murdered 20.000+ people when you first invaded Cyprus and many 1000s more since then. We just fought for our freedom... nothing more. Like what the Kurds do today. You are occupying Kurdistan, you kill and oppress them ... and then you label them "terrorists" because they fight to free themselves from your oppressive rule. You can't equate the foreign aggressors (Turks) with those who defend their own lands. Otherwise we might as well equate the Nazis with the Allies, because the Germans had lots of causalities (including 100s of thousands of civilians) when those that they attacked and occupied fought to defend and free themselves!
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby Sotos » Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:45 am

two wrongs do not make a right


What is wrong is to invade and occupy land that does not belong to you and then oppress other nations ... you did not just two but many such wrongs ... and you continue doing them. Fighting the foreign invaders for your freedom is NEVER wrong. In a war both sides ALWAYS have casualties... telling us that you had casualties doesn't make you any more innocent than Nazis saying that they had casualties... Had you not invaded us in the first place then none would have any casualties. Had you agreed to peacefully give us our freedom then there would be no more casualties... How many losses you had in those wars is totally irrelevant since ALL losses are YOUR fault as you are the aggressors.
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby miltiades » Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:46 am

I'm , I shall be, always, a proud Cypriot, my one and only true motherland, the land of my ancestors, the land on which I took my first breath, my first steps. Why on earth would I reject my country of birth in favour of another.

Some years back I paid homage to a true Cypriot by visiting his village of birth in Paphos, a stones throw from my own village of birth, the village of Istinjo where my dear friend Birkiprisly was born and raised.

If all Cypriots had the same vision of our island as I and many others have, we would live in peace and harmony with each other, no more hatred and wars. Be a G/C Be a T/C or an Armenian, English, Russian Cypriot but above all be a CYPRIOT, the greatest, most decent, industrious and .....good looking people on earth :lol:
LONG LIVE THE NATION OF CYPRUS, THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH.
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Re: The dark side of Greek'ness and Greek history!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:51 am

I take it, Oz, that this "dark side" of Greek history is on 1821 when "Greek'ness" dared to fight for freedom from 400 years of Ottoman enslavement?

Are you one of the two Turkish-named 'translators'? :P
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