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The final curtain!

Postby MrH » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:58 am

Annexation is feared when Turkey's water project nears it's final stage. Many TRNC politians are readying themselves for their automatic membership to Turkey's MGK establishment. What will happen soon after Turkey's new stance on the TRNC THIS COMING JULY is no surprise, while what's more interesting is the new hardline stance recently adopted by the citizens of the TRNC.
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Re: The final curtain!

Postby Get Real! » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:51 am

The problem is that your people never understood what “annexation” means so teach them…

“Annexation is a unilateral act where territory is seized and held by one state and legitimized via general recognition by the other international bodies (i.e. countries and intergovernmental organisations)”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation

So as you can see a form of annexation was attempted in 1983 but failed miserably thanks to UN Resolution 541.

http://tinyurl.com/py6exxo

Cyprus’ territory is LOCKED IN as a sovereign UN member and there’s absolutely nothing Turkey can do to overcome that.

All UNSC permanent members support the RoC in this matter and Turkey doesn’t stand a chance in influencing even one of them to get a favorable vote let alone all that are necessary for such change.

So relax MrH, you’ll be pleased to know that you’re LOCKED IN with us FOREVER! 8)
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Re: The final curtain!

Postby MrH » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:09 pm

So relax MrH, you’ll be pleased to know that you’re LOCKED IN with us FOREVER! 8)


Get Real, an interesting assumption, but one that is only concluded assuming that Turkey cares about joining the EU and that the UN actually means anything (Former US President George Bush proved how insignificant the UN is when he ignored their warnings and entered Iraq!).

Anyway, getting back to Cyprus' "Annexation" issue. In real terms, Northern Cyprus is Annexed unless a Two State Comprehensive deal is reached (never), or the Greek Cypriots are tricked with this infamous Gas, Hydro-carbon, find that is to empower them. Which, again, is another hoax. Look at it this way, if not living alongside Turkey since 1974 is not known as Annexation, I don't know what is!
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Re: The final curtain!

Postby Nikitas » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:19 pm

You are confusing occupation and unilateral actions with legal actions. Turkey can do what it likes, the legality and legitimae status and claims of the RoC are not going away. If at some point in the future the GCs attack to regain the north they will be fully justified in international law as exercising the right of self defence.

The only entity that can legalise anything regarding Cyprus is the RoC. That simple.

As GR points out above, there is a series of UNSC decisions in place. While they may not have any immediate effect, ie push the Turkish army out, they do provide the legal reinforcement of the status of Cyprus as an independent nation.

Refer to WWII history and the annexation of Czechoslovakia. It was null and void from the start.

One more thing that the "hardening TCs" are not taking into account but Turkey does, is that annexation, or full independence of the north automatically extinguishes all claims to the south. Are you sure Turkey is ready for such a move? Read Davut on this, he is enlightening.
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Re: The final curtain!

Postby Mustiejodu » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:04 pm

Nikitas wrote:You are confusing occupation and unilateral actions with legal actions. Turkey can do what it likes, the legality and legitimae status and claims of the RoC are not going away. If at some point in the future the GCs attack to regain the north they will be fully justified in international law as exercising the right of self defence.

The only entity that can legalise anything regarding Cyprus is the RoC. That simple.

As GR points out above, there is a series of UNSC decisions in place. While they may not have any immediate effect, ie push the Turkish army out, they do provide the legal reinforcement of the status of Cyprus as an independent nation.

Refer to WWII history and the annexation of Czechoslovakia. It was null and void from the start.

One more thing that the "hardening TCs" are not taking into account but Turkey does, is that annexation, or full independence of the north automatically extinguishes all claims to the south. Are you sure Turkey is ready for such a move? Read Davut on this, he is enlightening.


Very interesting response . Can you also explain the treaty of guarantors and what action you can take If breached . Also as you claim that the whole of cyprus is EU then such a mighty army like the EU can push the turkish army back so why can't the EU as a force attack Turkey and push them out ? Cyprus on their own in their deepest dream will never be able to fight a formidable power like Turkey but the EU can so I ask you Nikita why is EU allowing Turkey on its land ?
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Re: The final curtain!

Postby Get Real! » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:37 pm

Mustiejodu wrote:Very interesting response . Can you also explain the treaty of guarantors and what action you can take If breached . Also as you claim that the whole of cyprus is EU then such a mighty army like the EU can push the turkish army back so why can't the EU as a force attack Turkey and push them out ? Cyprus on their own in their deepest dream will never be able to fight a formidable power like Turkey but the EU can so I ask you Nikita why is EU allowing Turkey on its land ?

:? You seem to have a fascination with the EU but it’s totally irrelevant to the CyProb.

The EU doesn’t have a military component and has never engaged in a military war.
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Re: The final curtain!

Postby Mustiejodu » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:50 pm

Well then give up on claiming any rights to any land in the north then .
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Re: The final curtain!

Postby Get Real! » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:54 pm

Mustiejodu wrote:Well then give up on claiming any rights to any land in the north then .

:? Cyprus’ rights as a nation are enshrined under the UN, not the EU. :)


3.Demands an immediate end to foreign military intervention in the Republic of Cyprus that is in contravention of the provisions of paragraph 1 above;

4. Requests the withdrawal without delay from the Republic of Cyprus of foreign military personnel present otherwise than under the authority of international agreements, including those whose withdrawal was requested by the President of the Republic of Cyprus, Archbishop Makarios, in his letter of 2 July 1974;

http://kypros.org/UN/scr353.htm

1. Deplores the declaration of the Turkish Cypriot authorities of the purported secession of part of the Republic of Cyprus;

2. Considers the declaration referred to above as legally invalid and calls for its withdrawal;


http://kypros.org/UN/scr541.htm
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Re: The final curtain!

Postby Nikitas » Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:29 pm

From what i remember of the "Art of War" part of good generalship is to fight where and when it suits you and does not suit the enemy.

Read the story of Lambousa. It is interesting. Read the history of Cyprus as a whole. GCs have out manouvered conquerors much more powerful than Turkey, by guile, by sheer endurance, by subversion. War is not always a matter of clanging shields or who has the biggest cannon. Our guarantors are not going to come to our aid, not unless there is a compelling reason, based on their interests, to do so.

Also the idea that might is right is erroneous. At some point the situation must be legalised. Someone has to put a signature to a legalising deal. Turkey won in 1922, but that victory is officialised in the treaty of Lausanne. That stopped the claims of Greeks to Asia Minor not the war itself. If might is right then what the GCs did to the TCs 1963-68 would be justified, is it? This is where the treaty of guarantee comes in useful, without the consent of the guarantors and of the RoC too no act stemming from the occupation can ever be legalised.

Turkey skillfully fosters the myth of military invincibility without having fought one single modern war against an equal enemy. It overcame the National Guard when it was divided against iself, it bombs the Kurds regularly, not risking a counter missile or air forcce, it sends warships to the EEZ in the absence of an opposing navy. So far it has not gone anywhere near the Noble platform which is protected by the 6th US Fleet, nor the Italian-Korean or Total platforms. They know their limitations.
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Re: The final curtain!

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:34 pm

...indeed Mustiejodu, you wish it was so easy, it is over because "Turkey" wishes it is so. More than a couple of shop keepers will fly the Flag of Cyprus, when it comes down to the final curtain. And for that Flag, i imagine things will get far more complex. You underestimate Cypriots, and their will.

...indeed it is that easy. It takes Mr. Eroglu to stand beside a Flag of Cyprus, and to challenge a Constituency that calls itself Greek to join him, so that in fulfilling the needs of Cypriots as Persons, they can present to the Republic their consideration, in unanimity, for its consideration, toward reforming the Constitution we have.
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