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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby Lordo » Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:48 pm

Nikitas wrote:He did say it, in his speech in the Cyprus parliament. The word he used is "anapospasto" to refer to GCs, an unseverable part of Hellenism.

The location where things are said is as important sometimes as what is being said. He was reassuring GCs that his government is not changing a long standing policy. In a wider context it was repetition of the position that an attack on GCs will be seen as an attack on all Greeks. Nothing changed in other words. As a proponent of the Annan plan he had to make that statement in Nicosia to all political parties.

The reference of one man one vote above was as to the cohabitation in one unitary state. Naturally it exists in BBF, within each region. When it comes to federal choices the upper house with 50-50 voting cancels out the one man one vote principle. In our case where the per capita apportion of territory is double for one region over the other, the principles of equitability are buggered before we even start. Which is why I personally regard territory the primary issue, to be settled before all others. The rest is minor stuff.

so long as he said gcs not cyprus that is fineso then that leaves dt as being a liar or lack of english. which is it. when it comes to bbf and zones there is a minimum for a zone which is 27 percent, below which it comes unviable. by all means let all the gcs who wish to live in the north to do so. i take my hat off to any gc who will move to the north and pay taxes in the north. if they can stomach that, they can stomach anything.
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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby Nikitas » Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:04 am

Who determines viability at 27 per cent? Luexembourg, Licthenstetein, Andorra, the Isle of Mann are smaller and they are pretty viable. There is a whole bunch of independent island nations that are smaller and they have no problems.

At 27 per cent the per capita territory allocation is 50 per cent more for each TC than each GC, the viability fiddle is not going to make the sense of injustice go away, and the solution will therefore not be viable. Territory, and that includes coast line, must be equitably allocated, otherwise the deal is one sided and like Hannay said of his pet Annan plan "unwisely generous to the Turks".
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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:20 am

Equality in my mind would mean Cyprus is recognised by Turkey, as an equal.

...as Persons, in a BBF, there would exist at least two Cypriot Constituencies where their powers as Constituencies are equal.

Cyprus, the Republic of Cyprus would exist in any case, because as Cypriots, Cypriots would have representation as Individuals, not Persons.

...and in such a State, a Maronite, Armenian, and a Latin (and dare i say even a British) Constituency, regardless of their size, could sustain their distinct identities too.
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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby Nikitas » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:46 am

Malta, I forgot Malta, an EU member state with a population of 300 000 in an area smaller than the island of Naxos. No problem with viability there.
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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby Lordo » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:16 pm

Nikitas wrote:Malta, I forgot Malta, an EU member state with a population of 300 000 in an area smaller than the island of Naxos. No problem with viability there.

viability my left foot.

Malta imports most of its food and fresh water and 100 percent of its energy

of course they are viable.
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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby Nikitas » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:01 pm

And you are expecting to be self sufficient in food and energy on 27 per cent of Cyprus? Is that the implication? The whole of the island is not self sufficient in food, it imports all its fuel to generate energy and the water problem is well known which is why you are getting roped into the pipe dream. Additionally there is the 60 per cent of the coastline thing which is really important in an island where tourism is a major resource. Cyprus as a whole fails your viability test, so get up and leave.

Anything other than land in direct proportion to the population is not going to pass the referendum. People do not give a flying eff for "governance" and crap that they do not understand. They know about land though and what is fair.

The division is presented as one of GC-TC but it is not. It is TC on one side and ALL the other communities of the island on the other. If 18 per cent can justify 27 per cent land holding then the 2 per cent Armenians and 1 per cent Maronites and smaller percentage Latins and Roma should have equally generous territorial grants. And naturally GCs with 80 per cent of the population should have 120 per cent of the land, by the same reasoning.
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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby DT. » Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:41 am

Lordo wrote:
Nikitas wrote:He did say it, in his speech in the Cyprus parliament. The word he used is "anapospasto" to refer to GCs, an unseverable part of Hellenism.

The location where things are said is as important sometimes as what is being said. He was reassuring GCs that his government is not changing a long standing policy. In a wider context it was repetition of the position that an attack on GCs will be seen as an attack on all Greeks. Nothing changed in other words. As a proponent of the Annan plan he had to make that statement in Nicosia to all political parties.

The reference of one man one vote above was as to the cohabitation in one unitary state. Naturally it exists in BBF, within each region. When it comes to federal choices the upper house with 50-50 voting cancels out the one man one vote principle. In our case where the per capita apportion of territory is double for one region over the other, the principles of equitability are buggered before we even start. Which is why I personally regard territory the primary issue, to be settled before all others. The rest is minor stuff.

so long as he said gcs not cyprus that is fineso then that leaves dt as being a liar or lack of english. which is it. when it comes to bbf and zones there is a minimum for a zone which is 27 percent, below which it comes unviable. by all means let all the gcs who wish to live in the north to do so. i take my hat off to any gc who will move to the north and pay taxes in the north. if they can stomach that, they can stomach anything.


He said Cyprus (not GC's...Cyprus) is an unseverable part of Hellenism.

http://www.alfanews.com.cy/kypros/item/11474-τσίπρας-η-κύπρος-αποτελεί-αναπόσπαστο-μέρος-του-ελληνισμού.html

Now roll that up and insert it where you like lordo.
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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby Lordo » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:08 am

dont you worry boy, you have a perfect place for it and it shall be inserted there which is exactly where it belongs with or without greece.

The Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras said that his first visit abroad carried out in Cyprus has a strong symbolism that Cyprus remains in the mind and heart of Greece as an integral part of Hellenism

in exactly the same way izmir and istanbul is right. :wink:
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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby Nikitas » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:36 am

Is that what you have in store for us? The fate of Istanbul and Izmir? You are justifying those maniacs of 1963 and the junta officer Papapostolou who wanted to kill all TCs in a night raid in 1967. All he was saying was let us do it to them before they do it to us, which is what you are proposing now.

So was that our mistake? That we did not give you the fate of Crete and Tripolis and Corinth? Would be useful to know.
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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby Lordo » Fri Feb 06, 2015 12:08 pm

noooo gavole i am talking about what is in the hearts of the greeks, why do greek cypriots always take things out of context. what kind of bloody complexes do you people have, is there a medical term for you. there must be right.
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