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Postby Lordo » Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:16 pm

“The Turkish Cypriot community constitutes an integral part of the Cypriot people and the Republic of Cyprus. Its active role can and must be cultivated,” he added

i see nothong aboput tcs being a minority in this report. boys about time you faced reality.

http://cyprus-mail.com/2015/02/03/the-40-year-wait-must-end/
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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby DT. » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:13 pm

Lordo wrote:“The Turkish Cypriot community constitutes an integral part of the Cypriot people and the Republic of Cyprus. Its active role can and must be cultivated,” he added

i see nothong aboput tcs being a minority in this report. boys about time you faced reality.

http://cyprus-mail.com/2015/02/03/the-40-year-wait-must-end/


Tsipras also said that Cyprus is a part of Hellenism and that Turkey needs to withdraw its troops and respect the sovereign rights of Cyprus.
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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby Lordo » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:49 pm

where did he say that. link please, I dont believe it.

may be it was lost in translation. he meant to say part hellenic, that would be correct.

he also said this

THERE is a need after 40 years to embark on a substantive effort to reunify the island, Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras said yesterday, as he pledged his government’s support for reunification talks under the auspices of the United Nations.

what do you know he supports bbf.
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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:20 am

Tsipras broke with tradition, indeed. And there was no reaction from the Republic, which is also historic. Yet he did not meet with the Leadership per say, he met with the representatives of working people.

The Left in Turkey, and in Cyprus, as in Greece are hopeful, they call themselves, brothers. This man at least recognises their struggle for an equitable way of life where in it there is dignity for all. And it is no irony that the Communist Party, or Putin's Russia, is not so clear an ally either. They represent a countervailing power, he is not picking sides, the balance itself, is what must change, and my guess is that he aims to do just that.

I am waiting for big change in intention. A movement from the general population itself, to identify the need for new thinking where a State is not defined by it's "Greekness" or "Turkishness", but by the strength of its diversity, that Citizens are Individuals beyond any choices they make which describes them as Persons. And that as Nations, this same respect and recognition should be given to other Nations.

...Cyprus, the existence of Cyprus gives us that. In Cyprus, if there is room for Greek Flags and Turkish Flags, it is because the Flag of Cyprus flies higher.
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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby Lordo » Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:13 pm

and yet dt claims he has said cyprus is hellenic. is dt a liar or is alex cluless.
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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby Atheist » Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:32 pm

Lordo wrote:“The Turkish Cypriot community constitutes an integral part of the Cypriot people and the Republic of Cyprus. Its active role can and must be cultivated,” he added

i see nothong aboput tcs being a minority in this report. boys about time you faced reality.

http://cyprus-mail.com/2015/02/03/the-40-year-wait-must-end/


That statement means that Turkish Cypriots are part of the Cypriot people, and therefore they are not different people.

The Turkish leadership claims that Turkish Cypriots are a different nation and not part of the Cypriot people.

There is no need to attach labels such as "minority" since in democratic countries all individuals are equal and their rights do not depend on how they are grouped.
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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby Nikitas » Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:49 pm

What he did say was:

BBF based on UN resolutions
No guarantees and no troops remaining post solution
The RoC to evolve into BBF, thus rejecting the virgin birth nonsense
That TCs are are part of the RoC, indirectly rejecting the TRNC
TCs should reject the provocative positions of Ankara
The Cyprus issue is one of foreign invasion and occupation, in my words: bollocks to the "peace operation".
see http://www.news.gr for more

Should we assume you agree with ALL of the above? Is any of the above any different than what Greek politicians of all parties have been saying since 1974?

The minority issue is your crutch. You need it more than anyone else. If you reject minority status then we revert to the one man one vote basis, which you do not want precisely because it overturns your special status as a distinct community. You need to clear up the confusion in your head first. Re examine what Tsipras said, carefully and think if you really agree with being an intergral part with no minority rights.

In all corporate systems, from commercial companies to complex federal states, there are provisions for minorities, unless the minority does not regard itself as a minority and opts out of such special protection.
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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby Jerry » Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:39 pm

And it's interesting to see what the trade unions are saying in the occupied territory,

KTOEOS General Secretary Sener Elcil commenting said in his opinion Turkey was not sincere on the matter; if Turkey had been sincere, the crossing points, joint use of telephone lines and double road taxation on cars would be removed. In short, he said, Turkey was using the TCs to get a slice of the cake.


http://www.kpdailynews.com/index.php/ca ... LOCAL_NEWS

It's what we have been saying all along, Turkey wants Cyprus but not the Turkish Cypriots.
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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby Lordo » Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:42 pm

Nikitas wrote:What he did say was:

BBF based on UN resolutions
No guarantees and no troops remaining post solution
The RoC to evolve into BBF, thus rejecting the virgin birth nonsense
That TCs are are part of the RoC, indirectly rejecting the TRNC
TCs should reject the provocative positions of Ankara
The Cyprus issue is one of foreign invasion and occupation, in my words: bollocks to the "peace operation".
see http://www.news.gr for more

Should we assume you agree with ALL of the above? Is any of the above any different than what Greek politicians of all parties have been saying since 1974?

The minority issue is your crutch. You need it more than anyone else. If you reject minority status then we revert to the one man one vote basis, which you do not want precisely because it overturns your special status as a distinct community. You need to clear up the confusion in your head first. Re examine what Tsipras said, carefully and think if you really agree with being an intergral part with no minority rights.

In all corporate systems, from commercial companies to complex federal states, there are provisions for minorities, unless the minority does not regard itself as a minority and opts out of such special protection.

where did you get one man one vote from dear boy. bbf does allow one man one vote in each zone. clueless as usual.

the question is did he say cyprus is hellenic. or is dt a liar.
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Re: alex the great in cyprus

Postby Nikitas » Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:24 pm

He did say it, in his speech in the Cyprus parliament. The word he used is "anapospasto" to refer to GCs, an unseverable part of Hellenism.

The location where things are said is as important sometimes as what is being said. He was reassuring GCs that his government is not changing a long standing policy. In a wider context it was repetition of the position that an attack on GCs will be seen as an attack on all Greeks. Nothing changed in other words. As a proponent of the Annan plan he had to make that statement in Nicosia to all political parties.

The reference of one man one vote above was as to the cohabitation in one unitary state. Naturally it exists in BBF, within each region. When it comes to federal choices the upper house with 50-50 voting cancels out the one man one vote principle. In our case where the per capita apportion of territory is double for one region over the other, the principles of equitability are buggered before we even start. Which is why I personally regard territory the primary issue, to be settled before all others. The rest is minor stuff.
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