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DO YOU THINK ISIS DESERVE CREDIT FOR COURAGE

Poll ended at Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:05 am

YES I DO
4
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NO I DO NOT
12
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Total votes : 16

Re: DOES ISIS DESERVE CREDIT FOR COURAGE !!!!!

Postby Paphitis » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:49 pm

Garavnoss wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:There you are, I can even be civil to idiots!!


The final comment on one of your previous posts which, would naturally be read as inclusive of myself.

I've forgotten how to stick my tongue out and say "Mer !" :lol:


Wrong!

That was Milti's comment! It was not mine at all.

Milti messed up his quotations as per usual. As I said, you owe me an apology for this slander and for calling me an idiot.
You should get your facts right before making such accusations.

AND, you can get back to the question as well.


Under the circumstances I of course apologize, I acted in retaliation and should have known better I'm sorry for the offence. :oops:

The ONLY defence I can offer is a rather amusing one (if I may say so), the comments which ended with the expression I found offensive, contained NO foul language and, quite naturally I did not associate them with Miltiades !. (there is a lesson here). :lol:

I also withdraw my "Mer !" and trust you will forgive my slight upon you.

NOW, where were we, or have we done ?. (someone is a little too fast on the trigger here).


Cheers! I accept the apology in good faith. You're a Gentleman.

But sorry, we are not done yet. I asked you a simple question and it deserves an answer.

I am sure you can be upfront and answer it.

Oh and if it will give you some comfort, I will not give you hard time with whoever you may choose to side with.

Once you answer the question, then we are done.
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Re: DOES ISIS DESERVE CREDIT FOR COURAGE !!!!!

Postby miltiades » Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:33 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Garavnoss wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Garavnoss wrote:
Paphitis wrote:There you are, I can even be civil to idiots!!


The final comment on one of your previous posts which, would naturally be read as inclusive of myself.

I've forgotten how to stick my tongue out and say "Mer !" :lol:


Wrong!

That was Milti's comment! It was not mine at all.

Milti messed up his quotations as per usual. As I said, you owe me an apology for this slander and for calling me an idiot.
You should get your facts right before making such accusations.

AND, you can get back to the question as well.


Under the circumstances I of course apologize, I acted in retaliation and should have known better I'm sorry for the offence. :oops:

The ONLY defence I can offer is a rather amusing one (if I may say so), the comments which ended with the expression I found offensive, contained NO foul language and, quite naturally I did not associate them with Miltiades !. (there is a lesson here). :lol:

I also withdraw my "Mer !" and trust you will forgive my slight upon you.

NOW, where were we, or have we done ?. (someone is a little too fast on the trigger here).


Cheers! I accept the apology in good faith. You're a Gentleman.

But sorry, we are not done yet. I asked you a simple question and it deserves an answer.

I am sure you can be upfront and answer it.

Oh and if it will give you some comfort, I will not give you hard time with whoever you may choose to side with.

Once you answer the question, then we are done.

Under the ...circumstances I offer my sincere apologies from the bottom of my heart and faithfully promise that as from now I shall make every endeavour to make amends and never again make a mess of my.....quotes.

I reiterate however in clear and concise terms that anyone who considers the ISIS SAVAGES as courageous can only be a ...fucking idiot, or a jihadist about to join the medieval barbaric, uncivilized, disgustingly revolting group of savages.
Clear enough ?
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Re: DOES ISIS DESERVE CREDIT FOR COURAGE !!!!!

Postby Garavnoss » Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:54 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Garavnoss wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Garavnoss wrote:
Paphitis wrote:There you are, I can even be civil to idiots!!


The final comment on one of your previous posts which, would naturally be read as inclusive of myself.

I've forgotten how to stick my tongue out and say "Mer !" :lol:


Wrong!

That was Milti's comment! It was not mine at all.

Milti messed up his quotations as per usual. As I said, you owe me an apology for this slander and for calling me an idiot.
You should get your facts right before making such accusations.

AND, you can get back to the question as well.


Under the circumstances I of course apologize, I acted in retaliation and should have known better I'm sorry for the offence. :oops:

The ONLY defence I can offer is a rather amusing one (if I may say so), the comments which ended with the expression I found offensive, contained NO foul language and, quite naturally I did not associate them with Miltiades !. (there is a lesson here). :lol:

I also withdraw my "Mer !" and trust you will forgive my slight upon you.

NOW, where were we, or have we done ?. (someone is a little too fast on the trigger here).


Cheers! I accept the apology in good faith. You're a Gentleman.

But sorry, we are not done yet. I asked you a simple question and it deserves an answer.

I am sure you can be upfront and answer it.

Oh and if it will give you some comfort, I will not give you hard time with whoever you may choose to side with.

Once you answer the question, then we are done.



I am going to put to you the case (as I see it) in the hope that it will satisfy your enthusiasm to have me commit to an alliance with one side of current conflicts and another.

Firstly, without knowing precisely what the objectives are of those forces which are in opposition to IS (other than the destruction of their entire ideology) I find it a little difficult to imagine the AFTERMATH (in the event of a coalition success).

If the objective is to radicalize societies (or cultures) that have been in existence for centuries, I cannot in all conscience submit to the prospect of witnessing such great changes, primarily because I have lived among many of the peoples of the targeted nations (and I refer to the recent past) and quite frankly have found THEIR culture to be more acceptable (particularly morally) than the culture of those forces arrayed against them.

From a Materialistic point of view, things might be better if IS were defeated, from a Democratic point of view ditto but, only those who currently live under such conditions are seemingly allowed to advocate on behalf of those advantages.

Those who do not, can only rely upon what they SEE, FEEL and EXPERIENCE under the umbrella of those supposed benefits and it is abundantly clear that there are countless millions of people worldwide who reject what they SEE, FEEL and EXPERIENCE.

Who can blame them (in many cases) where they see the evidence of the breakdown of families due to immoral behaviour and a host of negative traits which flourish in the Materialistic and Democratic societies.

The declarations and objectives of IS are clear enough, they want nothing to do with Western ideology, they want to live under the governance of a "Caliphate" and apply THEIR (not our) rules to those who wish to join with them (not under duress) and they have declared their intention to live to see it or die trying.

In modern times there is no society likened to that, we do not know if such a society would be successful but, we DO know that OUR society could do with a great deal of radicalization and in THAT sense, I think IS deserves to achieve their goal.

Which DOES NOT mean that I applaud the manner in which they are going about achieving it, I think that there should be a lot more political exchanges before a full blown confrontation takes place, who knows, WE may even learn something.
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Re: DOES ISIS DESERVE CREDIT FOR COURAGE !!!!!

Postby miltiades » Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:00 pm

Here you go again excelling the merits of these savages.

You are what I called you many times, a fucking idiot, live with it!!

By the way, I still have that note you sent me !!
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Re: DOES ISIS DESERVE CREDIT FOR COURAGE !!!!!

Postby Garavnoss » Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:10 pm

miltiades wrote:Here you go again excelling the merits of these savages.

You are what I called you many times, a fucking idiot, live with it!!

By the way, I still have that note you sent me !!



Ignore this odious little creature, his written language is appalling (Scriptum Maledicentiam) is a terrible affliction.
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Re: DOES ISIS DESERVE CREDIT FOR COURAGE !!!!!

Postby miltiades » Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:24 pm

Garavnoss wrote:
miltiades wrote:Here you go again excelling the merits of these savages.

You are what I called you many times, a fucking idiot, live with it!!

By the way, I still have that note you sent me !!



Ignore this odious little creature, his written language is appalling (Scriptum Maledicentium) is a terrible affliction.

Listen you blithering idiot, anybody who makes the following statement is not only a BI and a fucking nutcase.
"I think IS deserves to achieve their goal."
The Muslim world at large does not agree with your disgusting and vulgar views, the fact that they are expressed eloquently does not mean that I have to respond in a similar fashion, so, piss off and join your SAVAGE heroes you obnoxious little crip .
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Re: DOES ISIS DESERVE CREDIT FOR COURAGE !!!!!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:34 am

Garavnoss wrote:I am going to put to you the case (as I see it) in the hope that it will satisfy your enthusiasm to have me commit to an alliance with one side of current conflicts and another.

Firstly, without knowing precisely what the objectives are of those forces which are in opposition to IS (other than the destruction of their entire ideology) I find it a little difficult to imagine the AFTERMATH (in the event of a coalition success).


The objectives are obvious! I would have thought an intelligent person would decipher exactly what these objectives are and there are quite a few. None, in my opinion are underhanded.

I didn't ask you to commit to an alliance. You are just an individual and I would like to know who it is you support or feel is righteous.

Garavnoss wrote:If the objective is to radicalize societies (or cultures) that have been in existence for centuries, I cannot in all conscience submit to the prospect of witnessing such great changes, primarily because I have lived among many of the peoples of the targeted nations (and I refer to the recent past) and quite frankly have found THEIR culture to be more acceptable (particularly morally) than the culture of those forces arrayed against them.


We didn't radicalize them. We have to deal with the threat and after it is true that one of our longer term objectives is to address radicalization at its source.

Garavnoss wrote:From a Materialistic point of view, things might be better if IS were defeated, from a Democratic point of view ditto but, only those who currently live under such conditions are seemingly allowed to advocate on behalf of those advantages.


How about from the humanistic point of view? that is the most important.

Garavnoss wrote:Those who do not, can only rely upon what they SEE, FEEL and EXPERIENCE under the umbrella of those supposed benefits and it is abundantly clear that there are countless millions of people worldwide who reject what they SEE, FEEL and EXPERIENCE.


Who are thew countless people you talk about?

Garavnoss wrote:Who can blame them (in many cases) where they see the evidence of the breakdown of families due to immoral behaviour and a host of negative traits which flourish in the Materialistic and Democratic societies.


Really!

Yes i am sure it is better for a woman to be raped by his Brother and law and then be placed in a ditch and be stoned. If you ask these women, I am sure they will say it is better to be in a broken family.

Garavnoss wrote:The declarations and objectives of IS are clear enough, they want nothing to do with Western ideology, they want to live under the governance of a "Caliphate" and apply THEIR (not our) rules to those who wish to join with them (not under duress) and they have declared their intention to live to see it or die trying.


Well, they will not find this Caliphate within Iraq or syrian territory. We won't stand for it under our International law of nations.

They will die!

Garavnoss wrote:In modern times there is no society likened to that, we do not know if such a society would be successful but, we DO know that OUR society could do with a great deal of radicalization and in THAT sense, I think IS deserves to achieve their goal.


No we prefer pluralism and democracy and all the decay that brings.

They are more than welcome to have their Sharia law but the Caliphate will not be allowed to exist ever!

Garavnoss wrote:Which DOES NOT mean that I applaud the manner in which they are going about achieving it, I think that there should be a lot more political exchanges before a full blown confrontation takes place, who knows, WE may even learn something.


Learn something? I don't think so.

We do not need to learn how to ethnically cleans and kill entire populations and cultures which are different to our own.

You have stated that you do not agree with their methods.

But do you support their caliphate and by default do you wish them success?
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Re: DOES ISIS DESERVE CREDIT FOR COURAGE !!!!!

Postby miltiades » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:28 am

ISIS: Desperate mum told 'you've just eaten your son' after visiting militants' base in search of kidnap victim
What courage, what valour !!!!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ve-5257013
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Re: DOES ISIS DESERVE CREDIT FOR COURAGE !!!!!

Postby Garavnoss » Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:30 pm

Paphitis, I have been away for a couple of days, now where were we ?. :)
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Re: DOES ISIS DESERVE CREDIT FOR COURAGE !!!!!

Postby miltiades » Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:27 pm

Garavnoss wrote:Paphitis, I have been away for a couple of days, now where were we ?. :)

You obviously went in for some ...treatment !!! :lol: :lol:
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