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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:51 am

The latest news from Tikrit sounds good:

Near Tikrit, Iraq (CNN)Iraqi forces are closing in on Tikrit and could be days away from retaking the city from ISIS fighters just over a week after launching a major offensive.

In the past three days, forces have progressed roughly 50 miles down one road toward the city and are now about a mile from its center.

The operation is part of a wide-scale offensive to retake Tikrit and Salahuddin province ordered by Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi on March 1.

Hadi Al-Amiri, the leader of the predominantly Shiite paramilitary force Hashd Al-Shaabi, said Monday he is confident his men can crush ISIS in Iraq without the help of the U.S.-led coalition.

"We don't need it and we won't need it," said Al-Amiri. "Anyone who puts faith in the international coalition to liberate Iraq is putting their faith on a mirage. The people of Iraq will liberate this country and put an end to ISIS."

Al-Amiri's forces appear to be leading the fight for Tikrit, with support from the Iraqi army and Sunni tribesmen. Also assisting: Iran. Iran has provided advisers, weapons and ammunition to the Iraqi government. According to the Pentagon, there may be Iranians operating heavy artillery and rocket launchers as well.

"We thank them deeply for participating with us because Iran has more experience than anyone else on Earth in fighting terrorism," Al-Amiri said.

The joint effort appears to be paying off as those near the front lines point to signs that ISIS may be fracturing in some areas over the strain of attempting to function as a state.

Reports are emerging of low morale, and U.S. officials said they're seeing "anecdotal evidence of resentment and even resistance" in ISIS-controlled areas.

In addition to the push for Tikrit, Peshmerga forces south of Kirkuk retook three villages from ISIS in the past 24 hours. About 100 ISIS fighters were killed. In Syria, Kurdish forces have expanded the area they control around the city of Kobani.

After nearly 3,000 coalition airstrikes, the days of freely moving around in large formations, flying black flags and taking territory may be over for the group.

"What we've seen is ISIL pushed back both around Baghdad and in that area around Tikrit, just as we've pushed ISIL back in the north in the Kurdish areas," said Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes, using another acronym for the radical Sunni militant group. "The amount of territory ISSL holds inside Iraq has been shrinking."


http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/09/world ... it-battle/

The only problem is that these are mainly Shiite forces aided by Iran. The key test will be, if and when Tikrit is retaken by Iraqi government forces, whether the local Sunni population regard them as liberators or oppressors. The main Sunni regional players will also be nervous about Iran and the Iranian-backed Shia axis gaining in power. Unless such fears can be allayed, the defeat of DAESH will not necessarily lead to long-term regional stability.
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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:01 pm

... or as General Martin Dempsey, the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, has put it:

“The important thing about this operation in Tikrit, in my view, is less about how the military aspect of it goes and more about what follows,” Dempsey told reporters travelling with him. “Because if the Sunni population is then allowed to continue to live its life the way it wants to, and can come back to their homes . . . then I think we’re in a really good place. But if what follows the Tikrit operation is not that, if there’s no reconstruction that follows it, if there’s no inclusivity that follows it, if there’s the movement of populations out of their homeland that follows it, then I think we’ve got a challenge.”


http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk ... -in-tikrit
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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby Lordo » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:20 pm

if tikrit falls to the iraqi government which is in the hands of the shi-ites it is not rocket science to work out if the sunis will return especially if the yanks kill 10s of thousands of sunis to capture it.
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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby Paphitis » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:49 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:... or as General Martin Dempsey, the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, has put it:

“The important thing about this operation in Tikrit, in my view, is less about how the military aspect of it goes and more about what follows,” Dempsey told reporters travelling with him. “Because if the Sunni population is then allowed to continue to live its life the way it wants to, and can come back to their homes . . . then I think we’re in a really good place. But if what follows the Tikrit operation is not that, if there’s no reconstruction that follows it, if there’s no inclusivity that follows it, if there’s the movement of populations out of their homeland that follows it, then I think we’ve got a challenge.”


http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk ... -in-tikrit


Yes the Coalition is observing developments with great caution. Also present are Iranian Military and Al Shabaab, which is considered to be a terrorist organization. There is a real fear of the tables turning and Sunnis being targetted in equally disgusting ways as DAESH.

Coalition has suspended Air Support operations for now because of Iran's involvement but may resume soon to help liberate Tikrit. But no one is going to support the persecution of the Sunni Tribes.
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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby Paphitis » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:50 pm

Lordo wrote:if tikrit falls to the iraqi government which is in the hands of the shi-ites it is not rocket science to work out if the sunis will return especially if the yanks kill 10s of thousands of sunis to capture it.


Yes the coalition will support the return of all Sunnis to their rightful homes and will pressure Iraq to make sure that happens.
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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:47 pm

According to one source, Iraqi government forces have now entered Tikrit and have taken control of some neighbourhoods.

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/03/10 ... ter-Tikrit
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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby kurupetos » Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:45 pm

Lordo wrote:if tikrit falls to the iraqi government which is in the hands of the shi-ites it is not rocket science to work out if the sunis will return especially if the yanks kill 10s of thousands of sunis to capture it.

Just to be sure, they will probably kill everyone.
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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby miltiades » Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:47 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Lordo wrote:if tikrit falls to the iraqi government which is in the hands of the shi-ites it is not rocket science to work out if the sunis will return especially if the yanks kill 10s of thousands of sunis to capture it.

Just to be sure, they will probably kill everyone.

They don't have too. The ...loonies will kill the shits, the hooties will kill the toooootsies, the bokofuckharam will kill anyone, Normal, just as always, in the meantime they will all be screaming out allahu f..akbar .

In a thousand years from now they will still be killing each other. Lets all blame the bloody ...Americans !!
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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby Lordo » Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:57 pm

you is cluleless reh yero mahmudo.
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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby Cap » Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:01 pm

miltiades wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Lordo wrote:if tikrit falls to the iraqi government which is in the hands of the shi-ites it is not rocket science to work out if the sunis will return especially if the yanks kill 10s of thousands of sunis to capture it.

Just to be sure, they will probably kill everyone.

They don't have too. The ...loonies will kill the shits, the hooties will kill the toooootsies, the bokofuckharam will kill anyone, Normal, just as always, in the meantime they will all be screaming out allahu f..akbar .

In a thousand years from now they will still be killing each other. Lets all blame the bloody ...Americans !!


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