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Re: German aircraft crash

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:24 pm

Kikapu wrote:.... As my old girlfriend use to say "the mind is a fragile thing and can snap at any time".


Cannot agree with that idea at all, I'm afraid, so glad you ditched her (I presume). :P

The human mind is a tenacious force. Not fragile at all. It takes a lot to break a healthy brain. Even when diseased, it hangs on to moral principles beyond belief.

Supposedly, we only use 10% and look how much can be achieved without touching the reserve of 90%. Even if diseased, you won't kill unless you are a killer. Killers are a different class of human. Hawks and doves. We need better means of discriminating against psychopaths and keep everyone gainfully employed/restrained in whatever suits them best.
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Re: German aircraft crash

Postby miltiades » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:51 pm

" We need better means of discriminating against psychopaths "" :lol: :lol:
Say no more :lol: :lol:
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Re: German aircraft crash

Postby Kikapu » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:56 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Kikapu wrote:.... As my old girlfriend use to say "the mind is a fragile thing and can snap at any time".


Cannot agree with that idea at all, I'm afraid, so glad you ditched her (I presume). :P

The human mind is a tenacious force. Not fragile at all. It takes a lot to break a healthy brain. Even when diseased, it hangs on to moral principles beyond belief.

Supposedly, we only use 10% and look how much can be achieved without touching the reserve of 90%. Even if diseased, you won't kill unless you are a killer. Killers are a different class of human. Hawks and doves. We need better means of discriminating against psychopaths and keep everyone gainfully employed/restrained in whatever suits them best.


Yes of course, but how many times you have heard when someone does something so terrible that shocks the whole community and all saying, " he/she was such a loving person" and then, WHAM!
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Re: German aircraft crash

Postby Kikapu » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:01 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Supposedly, we only use 10% and look how much can be achieved without touching the reserve of 90%.



Lordo uses 100% of his brain and still it's not enough for him to make a complete sentence. :lol:
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Re: German aircraft crash

Postby Kikapu » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:23 pm

Lordo wrote:being ignorant is no excuse. read and learn so people in the future will not suffer.

Why We Have Become Suicide Bombers

- Understanding Palestinian Terror

By Dr. Eyad Sarraj



Except, it is not the academics, the educated, the politicians and the rich Palestinians who are becoming suicide bombers but the poor brainwashed Palestinians by other Palestinians to push their own political ambitions. Palestinians are not born to be suicidal, but some are lead to become one by their own people.

It is not to excuse what Israel has done or is doing, but that is another issue all together.
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Re: German aircraft crash

Postby Lordo » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:21 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Lordo wrote:being ignorant is no excuse. read and learn so people in the future will not suffer.

Why We Have Become Suicide Bombers

- Understanding Palestinian Terror

By Dr. Eyad Sarraj



Except, it is not the academics, the educated, the politicians and the rich Palestinians who are becoming suicide bombers but the poor brainwashed Palestinians by other Palestinians to push their own political ambitions. Palestinians are not born to be suicidal, but some are lead to become one by their own people.

It is not to excuse what Israel has done or is doing, but that is another issue all together.

where did i claim it is an excuse. there is a difference between reason and excuse. not that i expect an ignoranus like you to understand the difference.
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Re: German aircraft crash

Postby DT. » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:40 pm

So are most of us agreed that this German pilot was a terrorist?
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Re: German aircraft crash

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:33 pm

I think we can continue on the main issue without fear of been heavily taxed for just discussing.

I have personally witnessed a suicide, it was one of the most shocking experiences of my life. One of our colleagues went on the roof of the building, totally naked, shouted and cursed at everybody and then jumped down from the 4rth floor right in front of us while about 30 of us were waiting for the company bus. He miraculously survived…
I don’t want to enter into too many details about this person, partly because there might be people in this forum who know him, all I want to point out is that the person exhibited a lot of signs, and he probably had solid reasons to do it. The only thing I never understood was why he jumped totally naked…

Despite all those signs that person exhibited, despite the tragic situation with his family and all the things that happened to him before his suicidal attempt, neither me nor any of my colleagues could predict it. What we were all sure however, was that person was not suitable for any job that would put him in change of other people’s lives.

Now let’s see how the aviation industry deals with such possibilities. Quoting from previous links:

wrote: Doctors can order formal psychological tests if they think they are necessary, however, and pilots are expected to report any mental health issues they experience themselves or observe in colleagues.


We ‘ve heard from Paphitis that pilots do report their own problems to their employers and they work things out in a climate of confidentiality and trust.
I doubt however that anyone of them would ever report suspected mental issues of any of their colleagues, unless of course they are absolutely sure about it, and they hold hard evidence.
However the signs from such persons are always there. Imo pilots should be encouraged to do report such suspicions.

While I agree that typical psychological tests along with the other tests pilots go through are very unlikely to reveal anything, I totally disagree with the idea that a suspected person who is indeed at the stage of been sick, can hide himself from an expert Psychoanalyst.

Assuming my colleague was a pilot, I am absolutely certain that if he was ordered to be checked by a Psychoanalyst he wouldn’t be able to hide himself not even for 5 minutes before bursting it all out crying and begging for help...
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Re: German aircraft crash

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:46 pm

Kikapu wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Kikapu wrote:.... As my old girlfriend use to say "the mind is a fragile thing and can snap at any time".


Cannot agree with that idea at all, I'm afraid, so glad you ditched her (I presume). :P

The human mind is a tenacious force. Not fragile at all. It takes a lot to break a healthy brain. Even when diseased, it hangs on to moral principles beyond belief.

Supposedly, we only use 10% and look how much can be achieved without touching the reserve of 90%. Even if diseased, you won't kill unless you are a killer. Killers are a different class of human. Hawks and doves. We need better means of discriminating against psychopaths and keep everyone gainfully employed/restrained in whatever suits them best.


Yes of course, but how many times you have heard when someone does something so terrible that shocks the whole community and all saying, " he/she was such a loving person" and then, WHAM!


"Such a loving person" is usually the impression of neighbors and old ladies who just exchange hellos and good mornings Kiks. People who spend a lot of time together can never miss a psychologically ill person, the signs are numerous, the least they would make up is strong suspicion that something's wrong with that person.He may manage to hide himself for a few days, maybe a few weeks, no more...
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Re: German aircraft crash

Postby Kikapu » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:01 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Kikapu wrote:.... As my old girlfriend use to say "the mind is a fragile thing and can snap at any time".


Cannot agree with that idea at all, I'm afraid, so glad you ditched her (I presume). :P

The human mind is a tenacious force. Not fragile at all. It takes a lot to break a healthy brain. Even when diseased, it hangs on to moral principles beyond belief.

Supposedly, we only use 10% and look how much can be achieved without touching the reserve of 90%. Even if diseased, you won't kill unless you are a killer. Killers are a different class of human. Hawks and doves. We need better means of discriminating against psychopaths and keep everyone gainfully employed/restrained in whatever suits them best.


Yes of course, but how many times you have heard when someone does something so terrible that shocks the whole community and all saying, " he/she was such a loving person" and then, WHAM!


"Such a loving person" is usually the impression of neighbors and old ladies who just exchange hellos and good mornings Kiks. People who spend a lot of time together can never miss a psychologically ill person, the signs are numerous, the least they would make up is strong suspicion that something's wrong with that person.He may manage to hide himself for a few days, maybe a few weeks, no more...


Back in the 70's, a place where I worked for few years which had it's own cafeteria and a bar where a lot of drinking went on lunchtimes, one of the guys who worked there after having had drinks with his colleagues on a Friday lunchtime, put a pipe from the exhaust pipe to the car and rolled the windows up in his garage. Nobody knew anything was wrong with him a day before he killed himself.
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