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Re: Devided forever .

Postby Get Real! » Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:48 pm

Mustiejodu wrote:Do you think that without the intervention or invasion would the intercommunial clashes and the masacres that were occurring amongst both communities . Would all this have just suddenly stopped. Ok I put it another way . What do you think should have been done after those villages of masacred women and children were commited ?

I say FUCK your 3 shitty villages that were “massacred” in 74! :)

Where were you when 3,003 villages were pillaged and massacred by your forefathers for 400+ years? :?

Did you have any care for massacres the previous 400+ years? You didn't give a shit did you? :wink:

Do your schools teach that you were massacring the native Cypriots for 4 centuries? Yeah right! :roll:

And then you wonder why we have no respect for you… :roll: :lol:

You ignorant Turkish peasant!
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Re: Devided forever .

Postby Nikitas » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:00 pm

Power sharing! Like in the Annan plan makes partition look increasingly attractive. Are you people ready for full to the hilt partition? Are you sure? Have you asked your mummy? Does she want to risk it?

Split into two is your myth, the reality is so much different. You should read the comments made by Turkish politicians sometimes, they are informative. Ecevit said no to partition or double union, because that would surely bring Greece to the south. Look it up.
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Re: Devided forever .

Postby Jerry » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:03 pm

Lordo wrote:this is the problem of the gcs. they may agree but change their minds later.

are you so stupid a charlui as not to realise that if you did not agree to the power sharing in cyprus would have been split into two then. were all of you born stupid or was it your subsequent education that has caused your stupidity.


Oh you mean like agreeing in Zurich and importing arms the next day, or agreeing not to partition the island and then dividing it. Power sharing was forced on the Greek Cypriots by the British because Turkey demanded it and you interpret that as the fault of the majority - what a clown you are Lordo.

BTW You have yet to reply to this one Mr Knows-everything-about-Cyprus. cyprus43479-10.html
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Re: Devided forever .

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:36 pm

...and i suggest that Ecevit was not far off with his ideas on the word Bizonal either. If the aim is to repopulate Cyprus so that it represent a body of people Free in their Association, Movement and Expression, jurisdictional territories defined as Constituencies would not be appropriate unless they represented a set of geographic components which would allow for Justice seen, the return of Individuals (of their own choosing), and for some at least, the return as Communities, because the Green Line, if it is to remain, cannot be a "border", although it can describe a frontier among many, that Cyprus by nature (or by politics), has.

...a strong Federal Government, does not imply weak representation as Constituencies. Again, (i'll repeat myself,) when it comes to a BBF, Canada represents a successful venture.

Indeed, intention is what counts. I do not discount the notion of a BBF, in Cyprus, because the debate has become a farce run by the "Greeks" and "Turks" among us who are only too happy to ignore that there exist a large body of the population which considers Cyprus is Cypriot. If the negotiations were based on each governing body, each constituency, having a voice, i ask what is the Government of Cyprus? Is it a Cypriot State, does it support the Universal Values that, all Constituencies agree, their electorate define? In short, i ask where is the Greek Constituency? Why not Cypriot Constituencies, within a Republic, and at another level of government?

...Mustie, you want "Tukishness", that can only happen if there is "Greekness", that need is equal so too for the Cypriots who as Persons call themselves Maronites, Armenians, Romes and Latins. Only a Republic of Cyprus can secure this Liberty for us as Persons, and only if it is Sovereign in defending us as Citizens, without distinction or discrimination, as Cypriots, if we choose, as Individuals with Individual Rights.

...Monday, i hope will be a good day for those of us who recognise a value in the the Flag of Cyprus, over all the other flags that are recognised in this country.
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Re: Devided forever .

Postby Lordo » Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:35 am

Get Real! wrote:
Mustiejodu wrote:Do you think that without the intervention or invasion would the intercommunial clashes and the masacres that were occurring amongst both communities . Would all this have just suddenly stopped. Ok I put it another way . What do you think should have been done after those villages of masacred women and children were commited ?

I say FUCK your 3 shitty villages that were “massacred” in 74! :)

Where were you when 3,003 villages were pillaged and massacred by your forefathers for 400+ years? :?

Did you have any care for massacres the previous 400+ years? You didn't give a shit did you? :wink:

Do your schools teach that you were massacring the native Cypriots for 4 centuries? Yeah right! :roll:

And then you wonder why we have no respect for you… :roll: :lol:

You ignorant Turkish peasant!

calm down calm down gr.

when the ottomans arrived in cyprus they were celebrated for removing the venetians. you were not exactly in love with them were you.
you cant compere what happened 40 years ago and what happened in 74 when the murderers are roaming free in groc.
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Re: Devided forever .

Postby Nikitas » Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:33 pm

The myth of Venetian cruelty is a useful one, I can see why. Facts tend to upset that theory. Our language shows many more remnants of Italian words than Turkish, our cuisine the same. (Foco, pomilori, kourtella, strata, ravkioles, lountza, makarounes, pasta etc), Kazafani (Casa di Theofani).

During Ottoman times Venice, not Istanbul, was the repositiry of Greek learning and that is where important Greek literature created during the Ottoman era was filed, printed, circulated. The biggest canal in Venice is called the Canal of the Greeks, one of the biggest churches is the Greek Orthodox church of Saint Demetrios. El Greco went west, via Venice to paint, he did not go to Istanbul.

Vincenzo Cornaro, who wrote Erotokriots, one of the greatest literary works in the Greek language, special to us GCs because it is written in Cretan- Cypriot dialect, in the early 17th century, when Cyprus was under Ottoman rule, was Venetian. He was called to Venice to present his work officially and had to have his brother Andreas along because he, Vincenzo, did not speak Italian! If Venetians were such distant and cruel lords they would not have allowed such cultural ties between their community and the Greeks anywhere.

And if the Ottomans were so liberal why did they have to slaughter 20 000 Lefkosiates and many more Cypriots to liberate them? Why in 1821 did they carry out the pre-emptive hanging of dozens of Cypriots because mainland Greeks had revolted in Peloponnesos? You need to refresh your history reading.
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Re: Devided forever .

Postby Lordo » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:29 pm

the ottomans applied the cengiz han rule of war. surrender and you will not be harmed. fight on and you will be wiped our. they had their choices and tey took them. but once surrendered your church did very well in running the empire for the ottomans and the ottomans were also thankful for the yeniceri soldiers. without them they would not be able to build the empire.



be that as it may, the one question you must ask is how many venetiens turned to go after the ottomans arrived. that will tell you how little they were loved. perhaps you can find out what the venetian commander of lefkosa did when the gcs of lefkara refused to help them against the ottomas. now that will be a real lesson in international relations. never mind all tg emyth that has been drummed into you by your church.
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