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Interesting transcripts of Kissinger and US state Dept in 19

Postby Jerry » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:09 pm

US State department transcripts of conversations between all parties involved in the negotiations before during and after the invasion in 1974. There's reams of the stuff. Reading between the lines Kissinger pretends to "hang back" rather than put pressure on Turkey to desist but actually reveals his true intentions.

Turkey's true intentions are also revealed in a telegram from the US embassy in Nicosia.

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Kissinger: We would have to vote against them in the Security Council. We would have our hands full to keep the Greeks from going to war. The Turks right now are extremely nationalistic. For a few years ago, the Turkish tactics are right—grab what they want and then ne- gotiate on the basis of possession. But if the Turks run loose on Cyprus, the Greeks could come unglued. We certainly do not want a war be- tween the two, but if it came to that, Turkey is more important to us and they have a political structure which could produce a Qadhafi……..

Some of my colleagues want to cut off assistance to Turkey— that would be a disaster. There is no American reason why the Turks should not have one-third of Cyprus. We will make a statement today that will get the New York Times off our back, but we should not twist their arm.

(Page 468) Telegram From the Embassy in Cyprus to the Department of State1

Nicosia, August 25, 1974, 1300Z.

2622. Subj: Turkish Intentions on Cyprus.

1. Turkish actions on ground, and statements by officials both here and in Ankara, have reinforced our initial impression that Turkish Army intervened to protect the security of mainland and not assist local com- munity, except insofar as this relates to primary purpose. Best indication this regard is total write off of enclaves located in southern half of island. Despite repeated radio requests for aid,
so far as we aware, Turks made no effort reinforce or resupply these areas. Turk mainland Commander in Larnaca, who exfiltrated in civilian dress via Dhekelia, reportedly told British that his instructions were to offer token resistance before surren- dering. Said he had ample ammo and weapons to have continued fight for extended period. (This info, which contradicts accounts put out by Turk Cypriot leaders, largely confirmed by UNFICYP observation.)

2. Thus, while Turks had force to occupy entire island, and di- vide it up as they wished, they carefully limited operation to grabbing. sufficient territory to insure that they would be in predominant posi- tion to dictate future status of an independent Cyprus. As we read their intentions, Turkey wants a federal (confederal) state and has little or no interest in creation of an independent Turk Cypriot mini-state or move towards double enosis.

3. Either of latter two courses would run contrary to basic reason for intervention since, by implication, they would open the door to in- troduction of substantial Greek mainland forces onto island. This would place Turkey in position of having southern ports (and heart- land cities) again endangered or of going to war to take entire island, destroying island’s quasi-independence, and facing prospect of pro- tracted guerilla struggle.

http://2001-2009.state.gov/documents/or ... /96606.pdf
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Re: Interesting transcripts of Kissinger and US state Dept i

Postby Alectryon » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:24 pm

Jerry wrote: and they have a political structure which could produce a Qadhafi……..


What does that mean and why is it important to the Americans ?
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Re: Interesting transcripts of Kissinger and US state Dept i

Postby Jerry » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:06 pm

Alectryon wrote:
Jerry wrote: and they have a political structure which could produce a Qadhafi……..


What does that mean and why is it important to the Americans ?


Gadaffi, the Libyan leader, a fanatical nutter they actually have one now in Ecevit. But a strongman nevertheless.
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Re: Interesting transcripts of Kissinger and US state Dept i

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:14 am

From Britain to ISIL, everyone wants a piece of Cyprus.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinio ... 09903.html

The US, he notes, is often regarded as the primary culprit, with Secretary of State Henry Kissinger assisting in the coordination of the Turkish advance as part of his perceived international anti-Communist duties


...a hard look at the issues that swirl around the events of 1974.
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Re: Interesting transcripts of Kissinger and US state Dept i

Postby Alectryon » Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:13 pm

Jerry wrote:Turkey wants a federal (confederal) state and has little or no interest in creation of an independent Turk Cypriot mini-state or move towards double enosis.

http://2001-2009.state.gov/documents/or ... /96606.pdf


Interesting. This supports what Nikitas has written on a couple of occasions.
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Re: Interesting transcripts of Kissinger and US state Dept i

Postby Lordo » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:39 pm

all you have found is what they officially say. the real info is in the unofficial info with winks and nods which is still going on to this day.

but of course amercians are freedom and peace loving people.
butter would not melt in their mouth.

peace my left foot. they want a piece of everything.

they set up the bate for you gcs and and you fell for it.
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Re: Interesting transcripts of Kissinger and US state Dept i

Postby kurupetos » Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:14 pm

Lordo wrote:all you have found is what they officially say. the real info is in the unofficial info with winks and nods which is still going on to this day.

but of course amercians are freedom and peace loving people.
butter would not melt in their mouth.

peace my left foot. they want a piece of everything.

they set up the bate for you gcs and and you fell for it.

You are partly right, kuz... Turkey gave them Incirlik and other bases and rights... :wink:
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Re: Interesting transcripts of Kissinger and US state Dept i

Postby Lordo » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:35 pm

lots of bases in are american not just incirlik. i am not partly right. either i am right or i am right. only two choices.
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Re: Interesting transcripts of Kissinger and US state Dept i

Postby Nikitas » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:13 am

Confirms wha Ecevit stated clearly and with far fewer words in the 80s to Greek daily Eleftherotypia.

"Turkey wants a federal (confederal) state and has little or no interest in creation of an independent Turk Cypriot mini-state or move towards double enosis.

3. Either of latter two courses would run contrary to basic reason for intervention since, by implication, they would open the door to in- troduction of substantial Greek mainland forces onto island. This would place Turkey in position of having southern ports (and heart- land cities) again endangered or of going to war to take entire island, destroying island’s quasi-independence, and facing prospect of pro- tracted guerilla struggle."


And our Tc "compatriots" see nothing wrong with "quasi independence", and therein lies the substance of our problem.
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Re: Interesting transcripts of Kissinger and US state Dept i

Postby Lordo » Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:01 am

as if terggy in any way fear greece. you really live in a dreamland. of course a politician will tell you what you want to hear. have you not realised that simple fact yet.
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