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Re: Post-War Germany: Turk-TCs like Nazi-kin?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:23 pm

kurupetos wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Lordo wrote:are the tcs guilty of inviting the terggs to cyprus. how long have you been peddling this little lie. it was your nazis who could not wait to wipe out tcs from cyprus that did that. who has no morality. have you lost all your senses.

Nazis, Zionists, and Young Turks are all the same shit.


and you are the supporter of a party that has openly praised the Nazis and their leadership.....

Can you prove it, dog?

Ilias Kasidiaris, a spokesman for Golden Dawn, wrote an article that was published in Golden Dawn magazine on 20 April 2011, in which he said, "What would the future of Europe and the whole modern world be like if World War II hadn't stopped the renewing route of National Socialism? Certainly, fundamental values which mainly derive from ancient Greek culture, would be dominant in every state and would define the fate of peoples. Romanticism as a spiritual movement and classicism would prevail against the decadent subculture that corroded the white man. Extreme materialism would have been discarded, giving its place to spiritual exaltation". In the same article, Adolf Hitler is characterized as a "great social reformer" and "military genius".[126]

In an article published in 1987 in the Golden Dawn magazine titled "Hitler for 1000 years", its editor Michaloliakos showed his support for Nazism and white supremacy.[127] Specifically he wrote, "We are the faithful soldiers of the National Socialist idea and nothing else" and "[...] WE EXIST, and continue the battle, the battle for the final victory of our race".[127] He ends the article by writing "1987, 42 years later, with our thought and soul given to the last great battle, with our thought and soul given to the black and red banners, with our thought and soul given to the memory of our great Leader, we raise our right hand up, we salute the Sun and with the courage, that is compelled by our military honor and our National Socialist duty we shout full of passion, faith to the future and our visions: HEIL HITLER!".[127] Furthermore he uses capital letters for pronouns referring to Hitler ("by Himself", "His people").[127]

On 17 August 1987 Rudolf Hess, Adolf Hitler's deputy in the Nazi Party, committed suicide in Spandau Prison. The following day on 18 August 1987 Golden Dawn members distributed proclamations in the center of Athens with the phrase RUDOLF HESS IMMORTAL (Greek: RUDOLF HESS ΑΘΑΝΑΤΟΣ).[128]

In pictures taken during the first congress of Golden Dawn in February 1990, the congress hall is decorated with the Swastika and the Wolfsangel.[129]
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Re: Post-War Germany: Turk-TCs like Nazi-kin?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:09 pm

kurupetos wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Lordo wrote:are the tcs guilty of inviting the terggs to cyprus. how long have you been peddling this little lie. it was your nazis who could not wait to wipe out tcs from cyprus that did that. who has no morality. have you lost all your senses.

Nazis, Zionists, and Young Turks are all the same shit.


and you are the supporter of a party that has openly praised the Nazis and their leadership.....

Can you prove it, dog?


You are asking the man who mistakes the Greek Key for a 'swastika'?
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Re: Post-War Germany: Turk-TCs like Nazi-kin?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:43 am

kurupetos wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Lordo wrote:are the tcs guilty of inviting the terggs to cyprus. how long have you been peddling this little lie. it was your nazis who could not wait to wipe out tcs from cyprus that did that. who has no morality. have you lost all your senses.

Nazis, Zionists, and Young Turks are all the same shit.


and you are the supporter of a party that has openly praised the Nazis and their leadership.....

Can you prove it, dog?


Don't worry! Being a NAZI is not illegal.
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The hate speech, murder, beatings and organising of armed Militias in the Peloponnese is.
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Re: Post-War Germany: Turk-TCs like Nazi-kin?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:30 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Lordo wrote:are the tcs guilty of inviting the terggs to cyprus. how long have you been peddling this little lie. it was your nazis who could not wait to wipe out tcs from cyprus that did that. who has no morality. have you lost all your senses.

Nazis, Zionists, and Young Turks are all the same shit.


and you are the supporter of a party that has openly praised the Nazis and their leadership.....

Can you prove it, dog?


You are asking the man who mistakes the Greek Key for a 'swastika'?


not at all -

see - http://www.ethnos.gr/article.asp?catid=22767&subid=2&pubid=63715105 - room fall of GD shite and Swastikas....
See the following images
gd 1.jpg
gd nazi2.jpg

At least on GD leader has a Swastika tattoo.
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Re: Post-War Germany: Turk-TCs like Nazi-kin?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:06 am

Paphitis wrote:That is an appalling post STUD. There can never be any justification for the sacking of Smyrna or the 100,000 Greeks and Armenians who were butchered.

Can I ask you, when you think the Greek Genocide started? Was it 1914?

How many Pontian Greeks were killed? Estimates range from 300,000 to 500,000?

When did the Armenian Genocide occur? How many killed? 1,500,000

When did the Greeks land at Smyrna? 1919 you say?


Indeed: Greek Government military forces landed at Smryna in 1919 - but what was the justification for the slaughter of Turkish Civilians in 1919/23 by Greeks in the Greek-Turkish war of 1919/23 that followed this landing?

I am in that respect very well aware that in the period from 1900 on-wards, in particular after 1915, The various Ottoman Empire administrations presided over wholesale and systematic genocide, of which the Armenian Genocide is the best known, starting 100 years ago this month, but also involving the Pontian Greeks and the Assyrians. I understand that the acts of the then governments resulted in possibly as many as 4 million deaths, either due to deliberate murders, or as direct consequence of the forced marches, death marches, no less, that they ordered. The crime of those massacres and marches is matched only by the crime of Turkey in refusing to recognise these events for what they were, as evil acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing.

What happened in 1923, with the sack of Smryna is simply inexcusable - a crime against Humanity, as were, in my view, the massacres conducted by Greeks on the Turks in the period before.

However I do not think one can selectively condemn one set of events without condemning the other. Will you join me in condemning both?

I otherwise think you have missed the point - that in 1955 to 1964 there was a history of Genocide by Greeks inflicted on Turks in the living memory of anyone in their late 40's (in 1964) which TMT could shamelessly exploit to create fear, even though ethnic cleansing let alone Genocide of TSC may not have been on the agenda of the GSC.
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Re: Post-War Germany: Turk-TCs like Nazi-kin?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:08 am

I have justy seen a headline on the Forum news feed on genocide, which I clicked on. http://www.dailysabah.com/op-ed/2015/04/20/the-double-standards-of-genocide-denial-in-cyprus

What a pile of shite!

Ostensibly reasonable at first it is in fact clearly pro Turkish propagandist and is in at least two respects historically disengenuous.

The first error is relation to the Maratha, Santalaris and Aloda massacre, questioned as being a part of the megalist ideal, but ignoring the context of then, namely that (wrong though they were) they followed the implementation by Turkey of the second stage of their 1974 Invasions plan. There is otherwise no evidence for the assertion that the the formation in 1955 of the terrorist organisation EOKA in was part of a "bloody campaign to rid Cyprus of its Turkish Cypriot population" when by and large TSC civilians were left alone, at least until 1958, when the TMT scum began targeting GSC as a part of the Takist campaign.

The second error concerns the alleged "ethnic cleansing of the Celts at the hands of the Anglo-Saxons" - now widely thought a myth - where over a period of perhaps 150 to 250 years years possibly as few as 5000 and possibly as many as 25,000 Germanic folk may have crossed the North Sea, and where some recent research tends to suggest that they were possibly lingusitically related to Pre-Roman occupants of much of Eastern England, (e.g. the Belgea) and the alleged invasion was if anything a bit of pushing and shoving at the boundaries of pre-Roman so called "Celtic" peoples who occupied the west of Britain and the Pre-Roman Germanic speaking peoples who Occupied the East .
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Re: Post-War Germany: Turk-TCs like Nazi-kin?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:10 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
Paphitis wrote:That is an appalling post STUD. There can never be any justification for the sacking of Smyrna or the 100,000 Greeks and Armenians who were butchered.

Can I ask you, when you think the Greek Genocide started? Was it 1914?

How many Pontian Greeks were killed? Estimates range from 300,000 to 500,000?

When did the Armenian Genocide occur? How many killed? 1,500,000

When did the Greeks land at Smyrna? 1919 you say?


Indeed: Greek Government military forces landed at Smryna in 1919 - but what was the justification for the slaughter of Turkish Civilians in 1919/23 by Greeks in the Greek-Turkish war of 1919/23 that followed this landing?

I am in that respect very well aware that in the period from 1900 on-wards, in particular after 1915, The various Ottoman Empire administrations presided over wholesale and systematic genocide, of which the Armenian Genocide is the best known, starting 100 years ago this month, but also involving the Pontian Greeks and the Assyrians. I understand that the acts of the then governments resulted in possibly as many as 4 million deaths, either due to deliberate murders, or as direct consequence of the forced marches, death marches, no less, that they ordered. The crime of those massacres and marches is matched only by the crime of Turkey in refusing to recognise these events for what they were, as evil acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing.

What happened in 1923, with the sack of Smryna is simply inexcusable - a crime against Humanity, as were, in my view, the massacres conducted by Greeks on the Turks in the period before.

However I do not think one can selectively condemn one set of events without condemning the other. Will you join me in condemning both?

I otherwise think you have missed the point - that in 1955 to 1964 there was a history of Genocide by Greeks inflicted on Turks in the living memory of anyone in their late 40's (in 1964) which TMT could shamelessly exploit to create fear, even though ethnic cleansing let alone Genocide of TSC may not have been on the agenda of the GSC.


I'm not offering any justification for the actions of the Greek Military which may have involved the slaughter of innocent civilians.

Unfortunately, civilians get killed in wars all the time, but the Greek Military is probably not renowned for genocide at all. Did they do some disgusting things? They probably did and there is no excuse for it.

But there is certainly no comparing the Greek Military to the genocide committed against Armenians, and Pontians, or the sacking of Smyrna. This is a holocaust comparable ONLY to the Holocaust against Jews in WW2. We are talking about 2 million + people here STUD, not a couple of villages or some 2 or 3 thousand which would have been done on a whim and with little or no planning as opposed to the systematic genocide of an entire population.

The fact the Turks did it so efficiently, can also only be comparable to the NAZIs.
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Re: Post-War Germany: Turk-TCs like Nazi-kin?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:41 pm

Yes indeed Civilians are often casualties of war but it should not be through rape and/or willful murder by ground troops, knowing the people they are raping and/or murdering are civilians. Unfortunately in your own way you are falling into the same syndrome of denial as the Turks,, because it is well documented that several thousands of civilians were killed by Greek Troops, and not because they were caught in cross fire, but where the towns were occupied, then systematically looted and/or burnt and many of the inhabitants raped and/or murdered.

And yes the Turks were a lot worse - and their refusal to properly acknowledge what happened is almost as much a crime as the enormities they inflicted on the two to four million Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians, and is as much of a crime as denying the Nazi Holocaust.
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Re: Post-War Germany: Turk-TCs like Nazi-kin?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:58 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:Yes indeed Civilians are often casualties of war but it should not be through rape and/or willful murder by ground troops, knowing the people they are raping and/or murdering are civilians. Unfortunately in your own way you are falling into the same syndrome of denial as the Turks,, because it is well documented that several thousands of civilians were killed by Greek Troops, and not because they were caught in cross fire, but where the towns were occupied, then systematically looted and/or burnt and many of the inhabitants raped and/or murdered.

And yes the Turks were a lot worse - and their refusal to properly acknowledge what happened is almost as much a crime as the enormities they inflicted on the two to four million Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians, and is as much of a crime as denying the Nazi Holocaust.


Here is the thing STUD.

Greece accepts its history and there is no denial of its history in war. We are talking about a country that is at peace with its history.

The denial comes from the Turkish side which refuses to accept its responsibility for the Armenian, Pontian and Assyrian genocides.

Unfortunately, war brings the worst out of people. Rapes have occured even in modern warfare by American soldiers. Not a thing that is tolerated by them as I am sure it would not be tolerated by the Greek Armed Forces then.

Not only this, but some British soldiers did not exactly cover themselves in glory during the EOKA uprising. Women were bashed and maybe some were raped too. Probably a taboo thing to reveal during the time as well. But as you can imagine, I would not call this acceptable behavior to manhandle teenage girls and give them a beating.

They also burned alive of EOKA deputy from his hide out. Is this what the British Army does? You would burn 3 men alive just like the ISIL cutthroats did to the Jordanian Pilot? Such a sophisticated well trained army could not wait until he ran out of ammunition, food or water and surrender?

This man was a trained officer of the Hellenic Army. He had Geneva Convention rights!
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Re: Post-War Germany: Turk-TCs like Nazi-kin?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:26 pm

Another German has apologised for his part in the persecution of Jews.


“It is without question that I am morally complicit in the murder of millions of Jews through my activities at Auschwitz,” the retired bank clerk said, clutching his notes and looking directly at the bench. “Before the victims, I also admit to this moral guilt here, with regret and humility."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/a ... zi-germany


But still, all we hear and see happening from Turk-TCs is that Greek Cypriots deserved to be killed and removed from their ancestral homes ... and that they, the Turk-TCs deserve to keep everything they have stolen from Greeks. They still enjoy what they stole. They still continue to destroy evidence of the presence of Greeks in Cyprus.

Proving once again that Nazis are more humane than TCs?
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