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Re: Cyprus is aging with fewer and fewer less young people

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:11 pm

miltiades wrote:Lets have a New Cyprus Airways that understands the basics. Modern Safe Aircraft,


You are ridiculous! Cyprus Airways had one of the best safety records.
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Re: Cyprus is aging with fewer and fewer less young people

Postby Paphitis » Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:19 am

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Paphitis wrote:Things are also going to get a lot worse for Cyprus and Greece as fewer people will have children and the younger generations migrate abroad.

That's what happens when there is nothing on offer for them.

3 Cyprus Airways Pilots were recently employed by Aegean but resigned within 1 month. Saudi Airlines, FLYNAS of Saudi Arabia, Jazeera of Kuwait and QATAR Airways along with Al Mahah (Saudi Arabia) to take the lot.

60 odd young families with children gone, to be educated in Arabic countries.

Another 50 Engineers with their families also going going gone!

Only man left standing is my mate who is retiring to his wine making.

Obviously they must believe there is going to be a new Cyprus Airways as promised by the RoC government who must think the majority of Cypriots are idiots.

Lets have a New Cyprus Airways that understands the basics. Modern Safe Aircraft, COMPETITIVE PRICING, attracting regular flyers who tend to fly with Easyjet and others.

Having just booked my flight with Easyjet, one way at £84.00, a real bargain, at this price I can afford to come to Cyprus for long weekends. Coming back about £50.

Had a bit of luck today, won the ....Lottery !!! Haven't told my other third who is joining me in Cyprus, if I did she will be asking for another ...handbag :lol: :lol:
May the 3rd I fly, the grandchildren are planning a 69th birthday surprise on Saturday May 9th, don't know what my other third is ...planning!!! :lol:



You'll be happy to hear that the new airline being planned is a discount flag carrier for Cyprus.


You're friggin dreaming.

Who is the Government to be planning when when it is the private investor who will decide the make up of such an Airline, and at the moment there is none and they would be crazy to even try it with Aegean setting up a hub at Larnaca?

Further to this, LCC means lower safety margins, lower service, and inexperienced crews. You will never be competitive when you pay next to nothing like Helios did. If you want Cyprus to be mainly serviced by LCC bringing CHAV British backpackers to Agia Napa like they do to Bali and Ibiza then go ahead.
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Re: Cyprus is aging with fewer and fewer less young people

Postby Paphitis » Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:24 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
miltiades wrote:Lets have a New Cyprus Airways that understands the basics. Modern Safe Aircraft,


You are ridiculous! Cyprus Airways had one of the best safety records.


Yes it was. It was a very safe airline. It always followed the regulations and maintained its aircraft according to the maintenance schedules regardless of costs.

And because they are no more, some really great people are leaving Cyprus.

It was one of the best Airlines in the world.
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Re: Cyprus is aging with fewer and fewer less young people

Postby miltiades » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:00 am

I never suggested that CA had a bad safety record, although the average age of its 6 aircraft operating was 11.3 years.
Easyjet operates a fleet of 210 aircraft with an average age of almost half that of what was CA, at 6.1 years.

As for prices, mostly Cyprus airways flights from London were double in most cases than that of Easyjet.

CA collapsed as a result of gross incompetence by management. I did write in the past that when booking a flight on CA, Debit cards were ...not accepted !! Only credit cards !! I telephoned CA in Nicosia querying this absurd policy only to be told that this was CA policy!! So anyone not possessing a credit card could not make a booking!!! How ludicrous is this and indicative of a badly managed company.
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Re: Cyprus is aging with fewer and fewer less young people

Postby Paphitis » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:42 am

miltiades wrote:I never suggested that CA had a bad safety record, although the average age of its 6 aircraft operating was 11.3 years.
Easyjet operates a fleet of 210 aircraft with an average age of almost half that of what was CA, at 6.1 years.

As for prices, mostly Cyprus airways flights from London were double in most cases than that of Easyjet.

CA collapsed as a result of gross incompetence by management. I did write in the past that when booking a flight on CA, Debit cards were ...not accepted !! Only credit cards !! I telephoned CA in Nicosia querying this absurd policy only to be told that this was CA policy!! So anyone not possessing a credit card could not make a booking!!! How ludicrous is this and indicative of a badly managed company.


It's got nothing to do with the age of aircraft. That is a myth perpetuated by the media for mass consumption.

Many great first class airlines have 25 year old aircraft. It's how they are maintained that counts.

An A320 that is 20 years old is no different to one that is only 2 years old. All the systems and the FMC and NAVDB software are regularly upgraded each month.

You are once again comparing a full service airline to a cheap LCC. There is no point doing that.

I might as well compare an AUDI to Corolla.

Further to this, look at the crash statistics. You can't have your cake and eat it too. 9 out of the next aircraft crashes will be LCC. As long as you don't make unrealistic demands on the industry afterwards because it is the CHAV market who will be influencing the standard.
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Re: Cyprus is aging with fewer and fewer less young people

Postby Paphitis » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:28 am

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Cap wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Nice faces. Full of character. :)

Shame modern lifestyles are leaving fewer people making it in to their seventies, unlike our ancestors who were regular octogenarian and even nonagenarians.

Bring back the peasant way of life! :)


Isn't life expectancy increasing all the time?

This is what the official statistics actually say for all countries with a modern lifestyle.

https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourcei ... expectancy


What about Tsuk's cousins and GiGs 'Give Africa a chance' ?
https://www.google.com.cy/search?biw=13 ... 3bEyZC70vk

In case you're wondering.
The RoC beats both the banana brothers. Greece and Turkey.


Your generation are in for a shock when governments are finally forced to reveal the facts they have been withholding so that they can push through higher retirement ages etc

http://rt.com/uk/222159-fall-life-expectancy-nhs/

- and from the .gov site:

In 2012, however, there was a fall in life expectancy at older ages for the EU, when compared with life expectancy in 2011. This fall was reflected in many of the largest countries in the EU (Figures 3 and 5). At age 85, male life expectancy fell by 0.1 years in the EU, and female life expectancy by 0.2 years.
The charts in Figures 4 and 6 show changes between 2011 and 2012 for all EU countries for life expectancy at ages 65, 75 and 85. It is striking that the fall in 2012 occurs across the majority of EU countries. For male life expectancy at age 85, only four of the EU’s 28 countries had an increase between 2011 and 2012 (Denmark, Greece, Estonia and Luxembourg). In all other countries, life expectancy at 85 either fell or remained the same. For female life expectancy at age 85, only four of the 28 countries had an increase between 2011 and 2012 (Malta, Slovenia, Denmark and Estonia).


I'm not in ca our of working longer plus I am subject to mandatory retirement anyway and that is unlikely to change.

I actually disagree with raising the retirement age.

But the statistics from independent sources does actually show an increase in life expectancy year after year for most countries.
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Re: Cyprus is aging with fewer and fewer less young people

Postby miltiades » Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:03 am

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:I never suggested that CA had a bad safety record, although the average age of its 6 aircraft operating was 11.3 years.
Easyjet operates a fleet of 210 aircraft with an average age of almost half that of what was CA, at 6.1 years.

As for prices, mostly Cyprus airways flights from London were double in most cases than that of Easyjet.

CA collapsed as a result of gross incompetence by management. I did write in the past that when booking a flight on CA, Debit cards were ...not accepted !! Only credit cards !! I telephoned CA in Nicosia querying this absurd policy only to be told that this was CA policy!! So anyone not possessing a credit card could not make a booking!!! How ludicrous is this and indicative of a badly managed company.


It's got nothing to do with the age of aircraft. That is a myth perpetuated by the media for mass consumption.

Many great first class airlines have 25 year old aircraft. It's how they are maintained that counts.

An A320 that is 20 years old is no different to one that is only 2 years old. All the systems and the FMC and NAVDB software are regularly upgraded each month.

You are once again comparing a full service airline to a cheap LCC. There is no point doing that.

I might as well compare an AUDI to Corolla.

Further to this, look at the crash statistics. You can't have your cake and eat it too. 9 out of the next aircraft crashes will be LCC. As long as you don't make unrealistic demands on the industry afterwards because it is the CHAV market who will be influencing the standard.

You are once again, talking from the back of your arse. A 25 year old aircraft is of the same standards as a ...2 year old !!!
I presume when you say " You are once again comparing a full service airline to a cheap LCC. There is no point doing that.
I might as well compare an AUDI to Corolla." You mean comparing Easyjet, Corolla, to CA Audi. :lol: :lol:

The Corolla is still going and very successfully too, shame about the ....Audi !!

What do you mean by this " You are once again comparing a full service airline to a cheap LCC"
What exactly is a full service airline. How full ? A cheap meal with a soft drink !!

Mate you have a lot of growing up to do. Easyjet, started by Stelios has been a phenomenal success, it has modern new aircraft, and offers REAL VALUE FOR MONEY !!
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Re: Cyprus is aging with fewer and fewer less young people

Postby Paphitis » Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:50 am

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:I never suggested that CA had a bad safety record, although the average age of its 6 aircraft operating was 11.3 years.
Easyjet operates a fleet of 210 aircraft with an average age of almost half that of what was CA, at 6.1 years.

As for prices, mostly Cyprus airways flights from London were double in most cases than that of Easyjet.

CA collapsed as a result of gross incompetence by management. I did write in the past that when booking a flight on CA, Debit cards were ...not accepted !! Only credit cards !! I telephoned CA in Nicosia querying this absurd policy only to be told that this was CA policy!! So anyone not possessing a credit card could not make a booking!!! How ludicrous is this and indicative of a badly managed company.


It's got nothing to do with the age of aircraft. That is a myth perpetuated by the media for mass consumption.

Many great first class airlines have 25 year old aircraft. It's how they are maintained that counts.

An A320 that is 20 years old is no different to one that is only 2 years old. All the systems and the FMC and NAVDB software are regularly upgraded each month.

You are once again comparing a full service airline to a cheap LCC. There is no point doing that.

I might as well compare an AUDI to Corolla.

Further to this, look at the crash statistics. You can't have your cake and eat it too. 9 out of the next aircraft crashes will be LCC. As long as you don't make unrealistic demands on the industry afterwards because it is the CHAV market who will be influencing the standard.

You are once again, talking from the back of your arse. A 25 year old aircraft is of the same standards as a ...2 year old !!!
I presume when you say " You are once again comparing a full service airline to a cheap LCC. There is no point doing that.
I might as well compare an AUDI to Corolla." You mean comparing Easyjet, Corolla, to CA Audi. :lol: :lol:

The Corolla is still going and very successfully too, shame about the ....Audi !!

What do you mean by this " You are once again comparing a full service airline to a cheap LCC"
What exactly is a full service airline. How full ? A cheap meal with a soft drink !!

Mate you have a lot of growing up to do. Easyjet, started by Stelios has been a phenomenal success, it has modern new aircraft, and offers REAL VALUE FOR MONEY !!


Once upon a time there would have been a few from Helios and Air Asia who may have thought I talked from the backside.

Unfortunately, the statistics don't lie. If it were not for 3 freak disasters from the top shelf Lufthansa and the Malaysian Airlines disasters, then all accidents would be from LCC with the exception of Air France a few years ago now.

Now take out Malaysian because these were freak incidents, and perhaps Lufthansa which was another u preventable freak incident then all you got is Air France which could be put down to pilot error.

Aviation is a ticking time bomb because of LCC except for those run by the aviation mainstays like Qatar, Lufthansa, Singapore, Emirates, QANTAS etc

In a decade from now you will see the averages on which companies will kill the most per 100,000 hours. The difference will shock the public and I will try and dig the averages as they stand today which may be sceeed by Malaysian and Lufthansa.

Low cost turns safety into a commodity.
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Re: Cyprus is aging with fewer and fewer less young people

Postby miltiades » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:12 am

Easyjet is value for money, no ifs or buts.

Some years back when I was much younger, I would never fly economy, always business class or first class, more money than sense some would say.

Now Im more mature and wiser I try and spend my money on worthwhile causes and not throw it at airways. My 3 grandchildren are my priority and saving a few quid goes to them.

As you get older you instinctively prioritise, eliminating "wants" and concentrating on "needs". My 11 year old grand daughter has had her first mobile for just under a year now, I thought I would spend some of my flight savings and give her an Iphone, brand new, she was so so happy when I told her Im bringing one for her. This makes me very happy too.

My other two, a 7 year old and a 5 year old are far too young for such accessories, they just love to go to ...Jumbo and the KIPOS !!!
Cant wait to see them, they keep me young and deliriously happy. I do spoil them when in Cyprus but what Pappou doesnt !
Almost forgot my ...other third, she too keeps me young in rather different ways!! :lol:
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Re: Cyprus is aging with fewer and fewer less young people

Postby Paphitis » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:39 am

miltiades wrote:Easyjet is value for money, no ifs or buts.

Some years back when I was much younger, I would never fly economy, always business class or first class, more money than sense some would say.

Now Im more mature and wiser I try and spend my money on worthwhile causes and not throw it at airways. My 3 grandchildren are my priority and saving a few quid goes to them.

As you get older you instinctively prioritise, eliminating "wants" and concentrating on "needs". My 11 year old grand daughter has had her first mobile for just under a year now, I thought I would spend some of my flight savings and give her an Iphone, brand new, she was so so happy when I told her Im bringing one for her. This makes me very happy too.

My other two, a 7 year old and a 5 year old are far too young for such accessories, they just love to go to ...Jumbo and the KIPOS !!!
Cant wait to see them, they keep me young and deliriously happy. I do spoil them when in Cyprus but what Pappou doesnt !
Almost forgot my ...other third, she too keeps me young in rather different ways!! :lol:


It's not value for money when you consider their pilots are mostly on their first jet job.

It's not value for money if they use reconditioned or counterfeit parts.

The market always dictates. A Captain should be on about 20000 USD per month and an FO about 12000 USD per month. So easy doesn't really employ a real Captain or FO.

A Captain on ATR 72 for Ethiopian is on $20000 per month. They are offering 3 year contracts.

So value is not there if you don't have a few grey hairs up the front! Sorry.
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