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[GreekIslandGirl]

.... Did the EU use the words "serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controlls by Greece"?"

YES OR NO

I will keep,asking.

But WHO was responsible for "carrying out those border controls" by (adverb, around/ on / along / alongside /next to) Greece?

You seem to think it was Greece. But Frontex was responsible for EU external border controls around/by Greece. So if there were serious deficiencies around/by/along Greece they were due to Frontex - and this has been confirmed in practice because Frontex has been overhauled, plus a new Agency created, plus the help of NATO enlisted, plus the help of more EU member states, plus a negotiated deal with the perpetrator Turkey. All these measures have been placed by (around) Greece. The EU external border, under crisis/discussion, is by (around) Greece!

In the face of all that evidence, you still perpetuate your anti-Greek propaganda!

[supporttheunderdog]

Greece.

It is abundantly clear the primary responsibility lies with the member nation with the external border. I have already pointed you at the law.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Listen, border fascist, that's changed - the truth is coming out. If Frontex were there (and they were) they have to accept responsibility. They have been overhauled. A new Agency is in place etc. What more do you want? Oh yeah, to lay the blame on innocent Greece!

[erolz66]

But WHO was responsible for "carrying out those border controls" by (adverb, around/ on / along / alongside /next to) Greece?

Classic pathetic GiG distortion.

What EU has said, over four months ago now, - verbatim

On this basis, the draft report concludes that Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations and that there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controls that must be overcome and dealt with by the Greek authorities.

GREECE IS SERIOUSLY NEGLECTING ITS OBLIGATIONS. No 'by' in that at all - totally clear, beyond any possible doubt as to what the EU was saying and meaning and yet you STILL insist they are NOT saying this. Pathetic but this is what you do what you always do.

For a definition of what the word 'by' means try this http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/by

PREPOSITION

1 Identifying the agent performing an action:

1.1 After a passive verb:
the door was opened by my cousin Annie
damage caused by fire

1.2 After a noun denoting an action:
a clear decision by the electorate
years of hard fund-raising work by local people

1.3 Identifying the author of a text, idea, or work of art:
a book by Ernest Hemingway

What it is ABSOLUTELY clear the EU did NOT mean when they said "there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controls that must be overcome and dealt with by the Greek authorities." is "there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controls that must be overcome and dealt with around/ on / along / alongside /next to the Greek authorities. The very notion is beyond absurd, yet this is your 'argument' after FOUR MONTHS ? Pathetic.

You seem to think it was Greece. But Frontex was responsible for EU external border controls around/by Greece.

What the EU has said - verbatim.

This (need to address the current shortcomings in the protection of the external border by and in Greece) is primarily the responsibility of Greece

In the face of all that evidence, you still perpetuate your anti-Greek propaganda!

In the face of the undeniable fact that four months ago the EU announced the the schegen evaluation report on Greece had concluded that

GREECE IS SERIOUSLY NEGLECTING ITS OBLIGATIONS

You continue to insist the EU did NOT say this. This kind of blatant denial of actual reality, carried on now for FOUR MONTHS, is WHAT YOU DO GiG. It is what you have always done here on this forum.

[GreekIslandGirl]

You take plain English and misconstrue it, post wads and reels of nonsensical documents that no one else will read and you HOPE that you can blind people to your clearly biased views.

Well, the reality is simple.

Your assertions have been undermined, proven wrong, and exactly what you hoped would NOT happen, has happened.

Deal with it. The EU has - and what you believe they said is NOT what they are doing. Who is wrong? You or EU?

You are soooooo desperate to undermine Greece!

[supporttheunderdog]

Facist?

How original....not.
I repeat.
In November 2015 and before,primarily Greece read Ec2007/2004, as amended.

Frontex has only been overhauled after December 2015 when the evaluatiion took place in November 2015 and the new agency is not yet functional. This cannot thus affect the position in November 2015.

It is abundantly clear the primary responsibility lies with the member nation with the external border. I have already pointed you at the law. Frontex could not have bern resposible. It has no staff or equipment of its own to patrol, nor a legsl mandate, and its presence in Greece was simply to do whst it was mandated to do, by agreement with Greece, that is to coordinate but not control the various non Greek entities brought in under Frontex regs to assist with handling the crises.

For the specific areas with the deficiencies it was for Greece to identify the weaknesses and ask for assistance if needed. Frontex had no mandate to impose itself. Greece did not ask for help in respect of the specific areas identified as seriiously deficient until after the November inspection. They may not even have known they had a problem in that particular area of border managenent, ie processing irregular migrants by checking documents etc, Until the inspection took place.

It was a very specific area, in terms of passport control and immigration processing staff, with the appropriate equipment for passport scanning and holding facilities for individuals needing checking. Read the 50 recommendations.

However because it was Greeces responsibility that was why recommendations were sent to Greece.

Again with your reference to Frontex you are imbuing them with a role they did not have, coukd not have under law, and indeed had not been asked to help in. The way it works the requests for help have got to be quite soecific in terns of need and they must be made before FRONTEX has any role.

I do not consider Repeating what the EU Has said about such serious deficiencies as a part of contesting a denial of those words to be antiGreek propaganda.

Trying to deny that those words were used when they were repeated several times in a series of documents is delusional.

The question remains. Do you concede thst the Eu used the words "serious deficiencies in the carrying out of border oerations BY GREECE" ?

[supporttheunderdog]

You take plain English and misconstrue it, post wads and reels of nonsensical documents that no one else will read and you HOPE that you can blind people to your clearly biased views.

Well, the reality is simple.

Your assertions have been undermined, proven wrong, and exactly what you hoped would NOT happen, has happened.

Deal with it. The EU has - and what you believe they said is NOT what they are doing. Who is wrong? You or EU?

You are soooooo desperate to undermine Greece!

Gig, you are bullshitting , or in your case , cow shitting, and not even doing it well.

We are merely repeating whst your beloved eu has said.,
None of our assertions have bern undermined.

You really are pathetically deluded, clinically so with your repeated attempts to deny what has been plainly stated bybtge EU over a about four months.. 27 Jan to 12 May, and where the EU say Greece has still not rectified all the serious deficiencies. Now do not bother us here with your further inanities trying to deny what the Eu has said, take it up with the EU,.,

[GreekIslandGirl]

We are merely repeating whst your beloved eu has said.,

Why? It's there for us to view, if we wished.

But, what you are actually doing is selecting quotes to perpetrate a stance that has so far proven to be wrong.

But you won't let up! Why?

[erolz66]

You take plain English and misconstrue it, post wads and reels of nonsensical documents that no one else will read and you HOPE that you can blind people to your clearly biased views.

Well, the reality is simple.

It is indeed simple. The EU said "Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations" and you have spent four months trying to deny this reality.

Deal with it. The EU has

Indeed it is dealing with it. It has allowed member states to imposes restrictions on their internal boarders in regards to migrant routes from Greece and only from Greece, for another 6 months, something these states could not do unilaterally. It has made clear that such restrictions will not be removed until Greece is no longer neglecting its obligations.

But you won't let up! Why?

The reason I will not let up countering your relentless and blatant attempts to distort reality is because they are relentless blatant attempts to distort reality.

[GreekIslandGirl]

OMG - you are so like the child who is having a tantrum because he hasn't got his way!

Your lies and misconstrues, shown for what they are - temporary mischief, knave!